Comments on: Book Review: The Climate Files by Fred Pearce http://transitionculture.org/2010/07/29/book-review-the-climate-files-by-fred-pearce/ An Evolving Exploration into the Head, Heart and Hands of Energy Descent Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:35:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brassicae » Ocasapiens - Blog - Repubblica.it http://transitionculture.org/2010/07/29/book-review-the-climate-files-by-fred-pearce/comment-page-1/#comment-70690 Brassicae » Ocasapiens - Blog - Repubblica.it Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:37:24 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=3780#comment-70690 [...] si occupa anche il Kyoto fisso, ma non dell‘ennesima recensione favorevole di The Climate Files di Fred Pearce, sui mail rubati alla CRU. Curiosamente, [...] [...] si occupa anche il Kyoto fisso, ma non dell‘ennesima recensione favorevole di The Climate Files di Fred Pearce, sui mail rubati alla CRU. Curiosamente, [...]

]]> By: don carlin http://transitionculture.org/2010/07/29/book-review-the-climate-files-by-fred-pearce/comment-page-1/#comment-70390 don carlin Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:06:49 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=3780#comment-70390 I pretty much endorse the above comments - but in a world where 'dirty tricks' have been established as the norm, I do wonder about the timing of that 'discovery', so close to a CC summit where our leaders once again showed they have no heart for this fight and the inevitable confrontations with 'big business' by thier procrastinational and obfuscational ducking of the entire issue I pretty much endorse the above comments – but in a world where ‘dirty tricks’ have been established as the norm, I do wonder about the timing of that ‘discovery’, so close to a CC summit where our leaders once again showed they have no heart for this fight and the inevitable confrontations with ‘big business’ by thier procrastinational and obfuscational ducking of the entire issue

]]> By: Chris Harries http://transitionculture.org/2010/07/29/book-review-the-climate-files-by-fred-pearce/comment-page-1/#comment-70363 Chris Harries Tue, 03 Aug 2010 23:29:04 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=3780#comment-70363 It appears that climate scientists may have made one big mistake that has been learned by prosecutung lawyers. The more evidence yo put up the more chance there is that somebody searching for a a glitch in your evidence will find one. And they did. This phenomenon was exemplified in the trial of O J Simpson in 1995. The case was presumed to be cut and dried, but prosecutors overwhelmed the court with so much evidence that defence lawyers searching for a glitch in the evidence found some. And he got off. No matter that Simpson was later re-tried and found guilty (some 13 years later) it is significant that at the time of the original trial the sheer volume of evidence undermined the prosecution case at that time. It's no wonder that climate sceptics, wading through some 5,000 files managed to find something that undermined the case against human induced climate change. It would be amazing if they hadn't. They used the time honoured legal tactic of discounting the entire case on a 'technicality'. The O J Simpson parallel is outlined in this story: http://www.alternet.org/environment/145838/how_the_mountain_of_climate_change_evidence_is_being_used_to_undermine_the_cause It appears that climate scientists may have made one big mistake that has been learned by prosecutung lawyers. The more evidence yo put up the more chance there is that somebody searching for a a glitch in your evidence will find one. And they did.

This phenomenon was exemplified in the trial of O J Simpson in 1995. The case was presumed to be cut and dried, but prosecutors overwhelmed the court with so much evidence that defence lawyers searching for a glitch in the evidence found some. And he got off.

No matter that Simpson was later re-tried and found guilty (some 13 years later) it is significant that at the time of the original trial the sheer volume of evidence undermined the prosecution case at that time.

It’s no wonder that climate sceptics, wading through some 5,000 files managed to find something that undermined the case against human induced climate change. It would be amazing if they hadn’t. They used the time honoured legal tactic of discounting the entire case on a ‘technicality’.

The O J Simpson parallel is outlined in this story: http://www.alternet.org/environment/145838/how_the_mountain_of_climate_change_evidence_is_being_used_to_undermine_the_cause

]]> By: GreenHearted http://transitionculture.org/2010/07/29/book-review-the-climate-files-by-fred-pearce/comment-page-1/#comment-70355 GreenHearted Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:47:12 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=3780#comment-70355 I think it would be good for your readers/visitors to know that the scientists whose emails were hacked in Hackergate have been exonerated by their jurisdictions' official investigations. (One suggestion was that they might have benefited from employing a statistician.) I think it's also important to consider: 1. Phil Jones (East Anglia Climate Research Unit) once received over 50 Freedom of Information requests in just one week from one arch-denialist. That is harassment, pure and simple -- not a bona fide use of the Freedom of Information Act. 2. How come everyone else in the world is allowed intellectual property rights except climate scientists? See my blog if you'd like more information. Julie Johnston Pender Island, BC, Canada I think it would be good for your readers/visitors to know that the scientists whose emails were hacked in Hackergate have been exonerated by their jurisdictions’ official investigations. (One suggestion was that they might have benefited from employing a statistician.)

I think it’s also important to consider:

1. Phil Jones (East Anglia Climate Research Unit) once received over 50 Freedom of Information requests in just one week from one arch-denialist. That is harassment, pure and simple — not a bona fide use of the Freedom of Information Act.

2. How come everyone else in the world is allowed intellectual property rights except climate scientists?

See my blog if you’d like more information.
Julie Johnston
Pender Island, BC, Canada

]]> By: Edwin Christwitz http://transitionculture.org/2010/07/29/book-review-the-climate-files-by-fred-pearce/comment-page-1/#comment-70342 Edwin Christwitz Sun, 01 Aug 2010 05:49:53 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=3780#comment-70342 Open sourcing could eventually re-open minds to our ability to think critically and compassionately, and respectful social discourse may re-emerge from the detritus of internet-fried brain matter. Without our courageous, imperfect journalists and leakers, and rights to free speech, we may as well all Heil Hitler. Open sourcing could eventually re-open minds to our ability to think critically and compassionately, and respectful social discourse may re-emerge from the detritus of internet-fried brain matter. Without our courageous, imperfect journalists and leakers, and rights to free speech, we may as well all Heil Hitler.

]]> By: John Mason http://transitionculture.org/2010/07/29/book-review-the-climate-files-by-fred-pearce/comment-page-1/#comment-70326 John Mason Sat, 31 Jul 2010 08:36:07 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=3780#comment-70326 The Monbiot interview linked to above dates from some time back. In the fast-moving world of climate politics it pays to check the latest every time, so I'll link to this piece: http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/07/07/filth-and-fury/ And my own thoughts on the matter: http://www.geologywales.co.uk/storms/gravity.htm Where I ask the not unreasonable question, given the circumstances: "Is gravity left-wing?" Cheers - John The Monbiot interview linked to above dates from some time back. In the fast-moving world of climate politics it pays to check the latest every time, so I’ll link to this piece:

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/07/07/filth-and-fury/

And my own thoughts on the matter:

http://www.geologywales.co.uk/storms/gravity.htm

Where I ask the not unreasonable question, given the circumstances: “Is gravity left-wing?”

Cheers – John

]]> By: Brian http://transitionculture.org/2010/07/29/book-review-the-climate-files-by-fred-pearce/comment-page-1/#comment-70281 Brian Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:13 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=3780#comment-70281 HHHmmm... Much like the leaked documents from Afghanistan (Wikileaks), the resulting furor is based on 'gut reaction' rather than thoughtful consideration. So the question remains, should either set of documents have been allowed to come to light? Seems to me the 'leekers' get their 15 minutes of fame with no responsibility while others are left to pick up the pieces. Since journalism is a 'for-profit' (or in some cases a 'for-notoriety') undertaking, do people really still believe that journalists are in it to guarantee the people's right-to-know? Something to think about. HHHmmm… Much like the leaked documents from Afghanistan (Wikileaks), the resulting furor is based on ‘gut reaction’ rather than thoughtful consideration. So the question remains, should either set of documents have been allowed to come to light?

Seems to me the ‘leekers’ get their 15 minutes of fame with no responsibility while others are left to pick up the pieces.

Since journalism is a ‘for-profit’ (or in some cases a ‘for-notoriety’) undertaking, do people really still believe that journalists are in it to guarantee the people’s right-to-know?

Something to think about.

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