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	<title>Comments on: Heinberg on Life Beyond Growth&#8230; excellent stuff</title>
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		<title>By: Logan Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logan Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solar water heater is a very good technology because it helps conserve electrical energy for heating..`</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar water heater is a very good technology because it helps conserve electrical energy for heating..`</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now we move into eco-restorative design era wherein instead of houses and buildings extracting energy and resources, they create them. 

Thus we see how our very homes will enable us to step away from peak oil consequences. 

tim and EarthWalk Alliance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we move into eco-restorative design era wherein instead of houses and buildings extracting energy and resources, they create them. </p>
<p>Thus we see how our very homes will enable us to step away from peak oil consequences. </p>
<p>tim and EarthWalk Alliance</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EarthWalk Alliance is enriched and is encouraged to support the insights offered in Richard Heinberg&#039;s writings. 

From his insights we can more readily flow into a future where the creation of non-extractive bio-mass contributing human built environment can be had. 

We invite Richard to co-share his work with ours, and those of you who want to see our very houses become islands of refuge for all their surrounding living communities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EarthWalk Alliance is enriched and is encouraged to support the insights offered in Richard Heinberg&#8217;s writings. </p>
<p>From his insights we can more readily flow into a future where the creation of non-extractive bio-mass contributing human built environment can be had. </p>
<p>We invite Richard to co-share his work with ours, and those of you who want to see our very houses become islands of refuge for all their surrounding living communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookman</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2010/03/12/heinberg-on-life-beyond-growth-excellent-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-67180</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>books, libraries, health care, learning/schooling...computers, weapons, defense..?

We are a relatively insane species.  This will increase with the stress of poverty, hunger, and dislocation.

I&#039;d like to suggest Chapter 26: Love Does Not Suffer,  in ISBN: 0062504010 a discussion between
Ivan Illich and J. Krishnamurti</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>books, libraries, health care, learning/schooling&#8230;computers, weapons, defense..?</p>
<p>We are a relatively insane species.  This will increase with the stress of poverty, hunger, and dislocation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to suggest Chapter 26: Love Does Not Suffer,  in ISBN: 0062504010 a discussion between<br />
Ivan Illich and J. Krishnamurti</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Walker</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2010/03/12/heinberg-on-life-beyond-growth-excellent-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-67118</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Julian: thanks to you, I watched Requiem for Detroit. Staggering. Essential viewing. Gratitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Julian: thanks to you, I watched Requiem for Detroit. Staggering. Essential viewing. Gratitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew MacDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hardly tune into mainstream media any more, just snippets occasionally. They&#039;re not keeping us down, but our attention can also be seen as our attention to &quot;the old story&quot; of what&#039;s important. Most folks are still tuned into that. As we wean ourselves, we help that shift. 

Transition culture, of course, is also media, and it&#039;s helping keep us up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hardly tune into mainstream media any more, just snippets occasionally. They&#8217;re not keeping us down, but our attention can also be seen as our attention to &#8220;the old story&#8221; of what&#8217;s important. Most folks are still tuned into that. As we wean ourselves, we help that shift. </p>
<p>Transition culture, of course, is also media, and it&#8217;s helping keep us up!</p>
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		<title>By: Hanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, that&#039;s very right. We are able to stay peaceful if we go in the right direction early enough, meaning NOW. If we spread the word much more, more people can get involved in doing the right thing. There are still too many guys out there who haven&#039;t even heard of Peak Oil. Why is the media keeping us down? It&#039;s not too late now to react to a changed future, but it will be soon, I fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, that&#8217;s very right. We are able to stay peaceful if we go in the right direction early enough, meaning NOW. If we spread the word much more, more people can get involved in doing the right thing. There are still too many guys out there who haven&#8217;t even heard of Peak Oil. Why is the media keeping us down? It&#8217;s not too late now to react to a changed future, but it will be soon, I fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Optimism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Heinberg &#8211; after Copenhagen</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2010/03/12/heinberg-on-life-beyond-growth-excellent-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-67032</link>
		<dc:creator>Dark Optimism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Heinberg &#8211; after Copenhagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to develop new energy source - combustible iceOur energy supply: some basicsODAC Newsletter - Mar 12Heinberg on Life Beyond Growth… excellent stuffRenewables &amp; efficiency - Mar 12Transition Network conference 2010 seeks venue: pop those [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to develop new energy source &#8211; combustible iceOur energy supply: some basicsODAC Newsletter &#8211; Mar 12Heinberg on Life Beyond Growth… excellent stuffRenewables &amp; efficiency &#8211; Mar 12Transition Network conference 2010 seeks venue: pop those [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenpa (I know you from Casaubon&#039;s Book) I agree that politics can turn ugly.  I think politics are a reflection of the situation.  If we live in healthy, sustainable communities...if we help each other to reach that, and other communities to reach that...then the better off we will all be, and the less need for nasty political solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenpa (I know you from Casaubon&#8217;s Book) I agree that politics can turn ugly.  I think politics are a reflection of the situation.  If we live in healthy, sustainable communities&#8230;if we help each other to reach that, and other communities to reach that&#8230;then the better off we will all be, and the less need for nasty political solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I resonated happily with the initiatives cited toward the end - groups putting solar water heaters on each others roofs, cooperative local food processing equipment. I love it when I see again how doable the solutions are for us. 

This is the inspiration I&#039;m hungry for. I&#039;m less interested in analysis, since I&#039;m already committed to the direction of simplicity and frugality and don&#039;t need to defend that movement. 

Greenpa, love your name :-) I think the future political system, if we successfully localise a great deal, won&#039;t be an overarching structure like we currently have. Our politics could be, and deserve to be, much more local. True localism would restore much practical economic decision-making to real people where they live. The barbarism results more from exploitation - decisions made from afar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I resonated happily with the initiatives cited toward the end &#8211; groups putting solar water heaters on each others roofs, cooperative local food processing equipment. I love it when I see again how doable the solutions are for us. </p>
<p>This is the inspiration I&#8217;m hungry for. I&#8217;m less interested in analysis, since I&#8217;m already committed to the direction of simplicity and frugality and don&#8217;t need to defend that movement. </p>
<p>Greenpa, love your name <img src='http://transitionculture.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think the future political system, if we successfully localise a great deal, won&#8217;t be an overarching structure like we currently have. Our politics could be, and deserve to be, much more local. True localism would restore much practical economic decision-making to real people where they live. The barbarism results more from exploitation &#8211; decisions made from afar.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;REQUIEM FOR DETROIT&#039;....WATCH IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;REQUIEM FOR DETROIT&#8217;&#8230;.WATCH IT!</p>
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		<title>By: Greenpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, but...  his analysis is ignoring the elephant; and we need not to.

Economic systems are, perforce and always, intimately tied up with current political systems.

As the old economy dies- permanently, as seems certain- the political systems tied to it will also collapse.  He does realize that, as the books he has written demonstrate.  War.  Terrorism.

Successors to current political entities are a very serious question mark; and many of the possibilities here are so ugly that thinking persons shy from discussing them.

But what happens on the political end will dramatically affect what is possible on the economic end.  Imagining economics in the future without reference to future politics is too- risky.

We simply do not dare to merely hope that currently rather benign governments will prevail.

Evidence, in fact, from the developing world, is that they tend not to.

I&#039;m delighted he likes TT- so do I, I tell people it&#039;s the best thing out there.  But not remembering politics risks losing it all, down the road.

I&#039;m afraid it&#039;s like &quot;population growth&quot;.  NOBODY wants to talk about it- but everybody knows it&#039;s the real problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, but&#8230;  his analysis is ignoring the elephant; and we need not to.</p>
<p>Economic systems are, perforce and always, intimately tied up with current political systems.</p>
<p>As the old economy dies- permanently, as seems certain- the political systems tied to it will also collapse.  He does realize that, as the books he has written demonstrate.  War.  Terrorism.</p>
<p>Successors to current political entities are a very serious question mark; and many of the possibilities here are so ugly that thinking persons shy from discussing them.</p>
<p>But what happens on the political end will dramatically affect what is possible on the economic end.  Imagining economics in the future without reference to future politics is too- risky.</p>
<p>We simply do not dare to merely hope that currently rather benign governments will prevail.</p>
<p>Evidence, in fact, from the developing world, is that they tend not to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m delighted he likes TT- so do I, I tell people it&#8217;s the best thing out there.  But not remembering politics risks losing it all, down the road.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;s like &#8220;population growth&#8221;.  NOBODY wants to talk about it- but everybody knows it&#8217;s the real problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenrick Chin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenrick Chin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are powerful thoughts and words. While I agree wholeheartedly with Richard, there is an important aspect that needs to be given more attention.

We need to wrap our heads around understanding the fundamental role that money is playing in this growth game. To begin, economists, governments and everyone need to abandon the concept of GDP. Secondly, we need to abolish the “toxic textbooks” that are currently being taught in economics classes.

Why is there a constant global pursuit for financial wealth which is all an illusion? We live in a predatory world. Prey or be preyed. Ask yourselves why you are employed at a given job and who is the beneficiary of your labour. The creation of money is used as an instrument of power, that gives you predatory power over the less fortunate. 

Everything society does and creates is an experiment in social organization. Only time will tell what worked and what didn’t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are powerful thoughts and words. While I agree wholeheartedly with Richard, there is an important aspect that needs to be given more attention.</p>
<p>We need to wrap our heads around understanding the fundamental role that money is playing in this growth game. To begin, economists, governments and everyone need to abandon the concept of GDP. Secondly, we need to abolish the “toxic textbooks” that are currently being taught in economics classes.</p>
<p>Why is there a constant global pursuit for financial wealth which is all an illusion? We live in a predatory world. Prey or be preyed. Ask yourselves why you are employed at a given job and who is the beneficiary of your labour. The creation of money is used as an instrument of power, that gives you predatory power over the less fortunate. </p>
<p>Everything society does and creates is an experiment in social organization. Only time will tell what worked and what didn’t.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;there’s going to be plenty of other games going on heading in the other direction&#039; - I think so too. As many games as possible affected by the sum of choices happening in different localities.

a butterfly wing flap in the Amazon can cause a storm in Asia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

so I hope my actions in Southend will also have an effect I can&#039;t predict but can maybe imagine.
I wonder if the newsletter I sent out last month was read by someone in Westcliff who will get interested in the Organic Food Growing course run by South East Essex Organic Gardeners over the next months in our town. That person will learn to grow their food in their back garden with the children running in between the beanstalks. One of those children might be the post peak oil food activist and leader whose ideas will be crucial in creating a sustainable food network in Southend. I continue to flap my metaphorical wings with the rest of the transitioners out there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;there’s going to be plenty of other games going on heading in the other direction&#8217; &#8211; I think so too. As many games as possible affected by the sum of choices happening in different localities.</p>
<p>a butterfly wing flap in the Amazon can cause a storm in Asia<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect</a></p>
<p>so I hope my actions in Southend will also have an effect I can&#8217;t predict but can maybe imagine.<br />
I wonder if the newsletter I sent out last month was read by someone in Westcliff who will get interested in the Organic Food Growing course run by South East Essex Organic Gardeners over the next months in our town. That person will learn to grow their food in their back garden with the children running in between the beanstalks. One of those children might be the post peak oil food activist and leader whose ideas will be crucial in creating a sustainable food network in Southend. I continue to flap my metaphorical wings with the rest of the transitioners out there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, a great article. For us in the Transition Movement, it is eloquent but not new, and serves to spur us to create the transition for ourselves and to spread the vision to our communities. 

We are inventing practical, stable ways of living for &quot;A future in which we do for ourselves, share, and cooperate.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a great article. For us in the Transition Movement, it is eloquent but not new, and serves to spur us to create the transition for ourselves and to spread the vision to our communities. </p>
<p>We are inventing practical, stable ways of living for &#8220;A future in which we do for ourselves, share, and cooperate.&#8221;</p>
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