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	<title>Comments on: A Draft Guide for Holding Transition Hustings</title>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 11:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post and the discussion afterwards is really useful and there is something more I would like to hear about from others:

What have been the really &#039;wicked&#039; questions that you have asked candidates and other community leaders?  By &#039;wicked&#039; I mean those questions that opened new space, started new questions and also gave you a real feel for who is interested in engaging in the deeper dialogue and not just giving this issue air-time in order to get a few more votes?  Not questions that test but ones that invite and open us to engage with each other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post and the discussion afterwards is really useful and there is something more I would like to hear about from others:</p>
<p>What have been the really &#8216;wicked&#8217; questions that you have asked candidates and other community leaders?  By &#8216;wicked&#8217; I mean those questions that opened new space, started new questions and also gave you a real feel for who is interested in engaging in the deeper dialogue and not just giving this issue air-time in order to get a few more votes?  Not questions that test but ones that invite and open us to engage with each other?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis Rowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis Rowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also the new economics foundation&#039;s Accounts of Wellbeing: 
http://www.nationalaccountsofwellbeing.org/ 

Alexis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also the new economics foundation&#8217;s Accounts of Wellbeing:<br />
<a href="http://www.nationalaccountsofwellbeing.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalaccountsofwellbeing.org/</a> </p>
<p>Alexis</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis Rowell</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2010/01/11/a-draft-guide-for-holding-transition-hustings/comment-page-1/#comment-66565</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis Rowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason - I recommend you read &quot;Happiness&quot; by Richard Layard. It&#039;s the key text upon which both Jackson and McKibben build.  

Mr Vert - The proposed Resilience Hustings are not designed to be a typical engagement with the political process. We&#039;re asking politicians to come along and be keynote listeners, to sit through a screening of &quot;In Transition&quot;, to partake in a Transition experience. We want them to understand how we view the world. The aim is not to get involved in the standard mud-slinging. 

Our experience in Transition Belsize is that politicians are genuinely surprised and pleased by the inclusive welcome they get, that they do listen, and that they go away having learnt something and enthused. That&#039;s all we&#039;re asking for.

Alexis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason &#8211; I recommend you read &#8220;Happiness&#8221; by Richard Layard. It&#8217;s the key text upon which both Jackson and McKibben build.  </p>
<p>Mr Vert &#8211; The proposed Resilience Hustings are not designed to be a typical engagement with the political process. We&#8217;re asking politicians to come along and be keynote listeners, to sit through a screening of &#8220;In Transition&#8221;, to partake in a Transition experience. We want them to understand how we view the world. The aim is not to get involved in the standard mud-slinging. </p>
<p>Our experience in Transition Belsize is that politicians are genuinely surprised and pleased by the inclusive welcome they get, that they do listen, and that they go away having learnt something and enthused. That&#8217;s all we&#8217;re asking for.</p>
<p>Alexis</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks to everyone for this. A few suggestions:
&#039;BUT Transition is a middle class fantasy&#039; To me, &#039;fantasy&#039; suggests some thing that is not real, and I don&#039;t think that you should say that &#039;Transition is a fantasy&#039;! It is our current lifestyle that is unreal!
 &#039;BUT most people are inherently selfish....&#039; This can have a positive dimension because it is in our own self interest to ensure our survival! As you say, the emphasis needs to be on cooperation rather than competition (difficult, given mankind&#039;s record), and the interconnectedness of everything needs to become part of our culture.
&#039;BUT I work hard and want to enjoy life........&#039; This is another key issue; nothing to add, but perhaps it would read better if the second paragraph came first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks to everyone for this. A few suggestions:<br />
&#8216;BUT Transition is a middle class fantasy&#8217; To me, &#8216;fantasy&#8217; suggests some thing that is not real, and I don&#8217;t think that you should say that &#8216;Transition is a fantasy&#8217;! It is our current lifestyle that is unreal!<br />
 &#8216;BUT most people are inherently selfish&#8230;.&#8217; This can have a positive dimension because it is in our own self interest to ensure our survival! As you say, the emphasis needs to be on cooperation rather than competition (difficult, given mankind&#8217;s record), and the interconnectedness of everything needs to become part of our culture.<br />
&#8216;BUT I work hard and want to enjoy life&#8230;&#8230;..&#8217; This is another key issue; nothing to add, but perhaps it would read better if the second paragraph came first.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks to Joanne Poyourow and Marcin Gerwin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks to Joanne Poyourow and Marcin Gerwin.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Vert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Vert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predict that if TT gets &quot;involved in the coming elections on all sorts of levels&quot; it will lose its way and end up marginalized and polarized. Today&#039;s politicians have no choice but to tend the existing structure and they have little or no room to look at different models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict that if TT gets &#8220;involved in the coming elections on all sorts of levels&#8221; it will lose its way and end up marginalized and polarized. Today&#8217;s politicians have no choice but to tend the existing structure and they have little or no room to look at different models.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcin Gerwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcin Gerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, see the &quot;State of the World 2010&quot; for more details on consumption and happiness.
http://blogs.worldwatch.org/transformingcultures/about-2/preview/

Mr. Vert, if you are serious about sustainability, then getting ivolved in politics is unavoidable. I don&#039;t mean by this joining a political party, but taking part in decision making as a citizen. If one says that that he or she is not interested in politics, it means that he or she is not interested in deciding what kind of energy system there is or where the food comes from. These things are regulated by law, and writing the law is the domain of politics. I think it&#039;s great that Transition Towns are planning to get involved in the coming elections on all sorts of levels. It makes a huge difference to the local projects if your city council is supportive. And the best thing about it is that you can actually choose your city council by simply casting a vote :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, see the &#8220;State of the World 2010&#8243; for more details on consumption and happiness.<br />
<a href="http://blogs.worldwatch.org/transformingcultures/about-2/preview/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.worldwatch.org/transformingcultures/about-2/preview/</a></p>
<p>Mr. Vert, if you are serious about sustainability, then getting ivolved in politics is unavoidable. I don&#8217;t mean by this joining a political party, but taking part in decision making as a citizen. If one says that that he or she is not interested in politics, it means that he or she is not interested in deciding what kind of energy system there is or where the food comes from. These things are regulated by law, and writing the law is the domain of politics. I think it&#8217;s great that Transition Towns are planning to get involved in the coming elections on all sorts of levels. It makes a huge difference to the local projects if your city council is supportive. And the best thing about it is that you can actually choose your city council by simply casting a vote <img src='http://transitionculture.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Poyourow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne Poyourow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason -

Actual numbers behind &#039;wellbeing and flourishing&#039;:

One place is at the Genuine Progress Indicator http://www.rprogress.org/publications/2007/GPI2006_ExecSumm.pdf I don&#039;t think their website has the statistics that their pdf reports do.

I just received my copy of Tim Jackson&#039;s Prosperity Without Growth and it looks like the opening chapters may answer your question (although I haven&#039;t yet read them).

I have not yet read James Gustave Speth&#039;s Bridge at the Edge of the World but this online snip from the intro indicates what you seek is in his Chapter 5.  http://www.thebridgeattheedgeoftheworld.com/excerpt-introduction/  He is a Yale professor and always heavy on footnotes.

You might also find it in Bill McKibben&#039;s Deep Economy (my copy is out on loan right now so I cannot check it).  I&#039;m not certain whether he footnotes sources of his stuff.

And Dave Wann&#039;s Simple Prosperity chapter 2 has footnotes that would be worth followup.  Wann refers to the work of Lord Richard Layard, with whom I&#039;m not familiar but there&#039;s a transcript of one of his talks linked from here http://www.brookings.edu/events/2005/0209poverty.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason -</p>
<p>Actual numbers behind &#8216;wellbeing and flourishing&#8217;:</p>
<p>One place is at the Genuine Progress Indicator <a href="http://www.rprogress.org/publications/2007/GPI2006_ExecSumm.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.rprogress.org/publications/2007/GPI2006_ExecSumm.pdf</a> I don&#8217;t think their website has the statistics that their pdf reports do.</p>
<p>I just received my copy of Tim Jackson&#8217;s Prosperity Without Growth and it looks like the opening chapters may answer your question (although I haven&#8217;t yet read them).</p>
<p>I have not yet read James Gustave Speth&#8217;s Bridge at the Edge of the World but this online snip from the intro indicates what you seek is in his Chapter 5.  <a href="http://www.thebridgeattheedgeoftheworld.com/excerpt-introduction/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebridgeattheedgeoftheworld.com/excerpt-introduction/</a>  He is a Yale professor and always heavy on footnotes.</p>
<p>You might also find it in Bill McKibben&#8217;s Deep Economy (my copy is out on loan right now so I cannot check it).  I&#8217;m not certain whether he footnotes sources of his stuff.</p>
<p>And Dave Wann&#8217;s Simple Prosperity chapter 2 has footnotes that would be worth followup.  Wann refers to the work of Lord Richard Layard, with whom I&#8217;m not familiar but there&#8217;s a transcript of one of his talks linked from here <a href="http://www.brookings.edu/events/2005/0209poverty.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.brookings.edu/events/2005/0209poverty.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: eartheart</title>
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		<dc:creator>eartheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Vert

Development is a political question, it is no good depoliticising these issues, people have very different views and politics tries to be an arbiter. What is needed is a broadening of political debate from social democracy to the emancipatory idea of ecological democracy, from representative to participative democracy. Unfortunately, Mr Vert, most debate at present is anything but politicised, it is commodified by the market. 

One thing I&#039;d like to ask in this is what about science and technology. This does not really figure anywhere in this discussion and yet this web-site is a product of a technology that 20 years ago was unimaginable to me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Vert</p>
<p>Development is a political question, it is no good depoliticising these issues, people have very different views and politics tries to be an arbiter. What is needed is a broadening of political debate from social democracy to the emancipatory idea of ecological democracy, from representative to participative democracy. Unfortunately, Mr Vert, most debate at present is anything but politicised, it is commodified by the market. </p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;d like to ask in this is what about science and technology. This does not really figure anywhere in this discussion and yet this web-site is a product of a technology that 20 years ago was unimaginable to me</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I read more on the actual numbers behind the &#039;wellbeing and flourishing&#039; info?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I read more on the actual numbers behind the &#8216;wellbeing and flourishing&#8217; info?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Vert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Vert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you care about the future, you will not politicize transition town. You will turn TT into a Global Warming pissing match. You are naive if you think that facts, education, honesty, &amp; sincerity will win the day. You need only look at how the climate change deniers have won the day, albeit for the moment - Mother Nature does have the last word. 

Politicizing TT is a huge tactical error.

If you want to be successful, keep on doing what you are doing - working at the grassroots level outside the political machine. Focus your energies and be successful. Then watch the politicians come to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you care about the future, you will not politicize transition town. You will turn TT into a Global Warming pissing match. You are naive if you think that facts, education, honesty, &amp; sincerity will win the day. You need only look at how the climate change deniers have won the day, albeit for the moment &#8211; Mother Nature does have the last word. </p>
<p>Politicizing TT is a huge tactical error.</p>
<p>If you want to be successful, keep on doing what you are doing &#8211; working at the grassroots level outside the political machine. Focus your energies and be successful. Then watch the politicians come to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Burnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something I would perhaps write differently is the following;

&quot;BUT most people are inherently selfish. It’s unrealistic to try to change the way they think and behave to help others or the environment.

Yes, it is certainly true that all people inherently have a capacity to be selfish at times.&quot;

To me this reads as a quite a negative statement, and I&#039;m not sure that &#039;selfishness&#039; is inherent or certain, at least not in ALL people...

how about &quot;It may be true that people have can behave selfishly at times&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something I would perhaps write differently is the following;</p>
<p>&#8220;BUT most people are inherently selfish. It’s unrealistic to try to change the way they think and behave to help others or the environment.</p>
<p>Yes, it is certainly true that all people inherently have a capacity to be selfish at times.&#8221;</p>
<p>To me this reads as a quite a negative statement, and I&#8217;m not sure that &#8216;selfishness&#8217; is inherent or certain, at least not in ALL people&#8230;</p>
<p>how about &#8220;It may be true that people have can behave selfishly at times&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Poyourow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne Poyourow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great document!  
The part that appears most useful to us in Los Angeles at the moment is the content at &quot;What do we mean by resilience?&quot;  However, with that subtitle, it implies that the text following will be a definition of resilience, and instead the content is about resilience-to-what.  Thus I suggest that the subtitle be changed to &quot;Resilience to What?&quot;

Depending on how you format your document, this section presents itself as the first intro to peak oil.  Yet that opening sentence under #1 Resource Depletion kind of backs into the definition of peak oil.  I would turn the paragraph around to explain peak oil.  I would also switch the tenses in the final sentence so that the old paradigm sounds antiquated:

#1 Resource Depletion
Peak oil – the imminent peaking in world conventional oil production – is just one of many such production peaks.  For example, natural gas is also near its production peak, as is phosphorus (a critical component of chemical fertilizer). Peak oil is of particular concern because of the degree to which our society is dependent upon it.  Peak oil will result in increasingly volatile oil prices, which, as the price spike of 2008 showed when oil reached $147 a barrel, impacts profoundly on our oil-dependent economies.  We are moving from a time when our economic success and personal prowess were directly linked to how much oil we consumed, to a time when our oil dependency is a key vulnerability. 

In #2 climate change I would refer to &quot;the 2009 Copenhagen climate talks&quot; rather than just &quot;Copenhagen&quot; if you plan to use the document more than a month or so.

I had to read the opening line of #3 Economic Globalization several times to understand it, so I would say &quot;not just food miles, but &#039;virtually ...&quot;

It was good to see #5 Wellbeing and Flourishing elevated to the level of the other bullets in this section.  It will be useful to have it there, plus it allows the section to end on an upbeat note.  But the paragraph itself was quite confusing and it included UK/Europe references that were not particularly useful around the world.  I suggest:
#5.  Wellbeing and Flourishing
Extra growth not automatically translate into human welfare and happiness.  If one plots a line on a graph that shows the growth of our economy, that line is echoed by other similarly rising graphs modeling indebtedness, stress-related illness, crime and many other less desirable trends. Having more consumer goods has made us happy up to a certain point, but since the 1960s we have not grown happier as a society in spite of our increasing wealth.

Thank you for creating this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great document!<br />
The part that appears most useful to us in Los Angeles at the moment is the content at &#8220;What do we mean by resilience?&#8221;  However, with that subtitle, it implies that the text following will be a definition of resilience, and instead the content is about resilience-to-what.  Thus I suggest that the subtitle be changed to &#8220;Resilience to What?&#8221;</p>
<p>Depending on how you format your document, this section presents itself as the first intro to peak oil.  Yet that opening sentence under #1 Resource Depletion kind of backs into the definition of peak oil.  I would turn the paragraph around to explain peak oil.  I would also switch the tenses in the final sentence so that the old paradigm sounds antiquated:</p>
<p>#1 Resource Depletion<br />
Peak oil – the imminent peaking in world conventional oil production – is just one of many such production peaks.  For example, natural gas is also near its production peak, as is phosphorus (a critical component of chemical fertilizer). Peak oil is of particular concern because of the degree to which our society is dependent upon it.  Peak oil will result in increasingly volatile oil prices, which, as the price spike of 2008 showed when oil reached $147 a barrel, impacts profoundly on our oil-dependent economies.  We are moving from a time when our economic success and personal prowess were directly linked to how much oil we consumed, to a time when our oil dependency is a key vulnerability. </p>
<p>In #2 climate change I would refer to &#8220;the 2009 Copenhagen climate talks&#8221; rather than just &#8220;Copenhagen&#8221; if you plan to use the document more than a month or so.</p>
<p>I had to read the opening line of #3 Economic Globalization several times to understand it, so I would say &#8220;not just food miles, but &#8216;virtually &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It was good to see #5 Wellbeing and Flourishing elevated to the level of the other bullets in this section.  It will be useful to have it there, plus it allows the section to end on an upbeat note.  But the paragraph itself was quite confusing and it included UK/Europe references that were not particularly useful around the world.  I suggest:<br />
#5.  Wellbeing and Flourishing<br />
Extra growth not automatically translate into human welfare and happiness.  If one plots a line on a graph that shows the growth of our economy, that line is echoed by other similarly rising graphs modeling indebtedness, stress-related illness, crime and many other less desirable trends. Having more consumer goods has made us happy up to a certain point, but since the 1960s we have not grown happier as a society in spite of our increasing wealth.</p>
<p>Thank you for creating this.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Finn and Shaun.. I have sorted the link now...</description>
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		<title>By: Shaun Chamberlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, slight formatting error on the link - I&#039;m sure Rob will sort it out when he gets a minute.

The correct link is: 
http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snsg-03373.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, slight formatting error on the link &#8211; I&#8217;m sure Rob will sort it out when he gets a minute.</p>
<p>The correct link is:<br />
<a href="http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snsg-03373.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snsg-03373.pdf</a></p>
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