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	<title>Comments on: The Potential Role of Transition Explored in the Observer&#8217;s &#8216;New Politics&#8217; series</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Wingate</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2009/06/01/the-potential-role-of-transition-explored-in-the-observers-new-politics-series/comment-page-1/#comment-63026</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Wingate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must agree with James. Catton&#039;s &#039;Overshoot&#039; reminds us how Churchill sold the war effort to Great Britain -- as a dirty, grimy, bloody slog in which we simply would not be allowed to give up before the correct result was achieved. As a nation we do rise to that kind of challenge when it is placed before us. We do know how to get serious.

A great problem with Westminster is that they have to lie in order to get elected -- they have to promise growth and jobs, lying to themselves as well in the process that they know how to achieve this. The British spirit actually achieves great things by gritting its teeth into a foul wind, and if that spirit (rather than &#039;it will be ok&#039;) could be wakened, it might actually be an easier sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must agree with James. Catton&#8217;s &#8216;Overshoot&#8217; reminds us how Churchill sold the war effort to Great Britain &#8212; as a dirty, grimy, bloody slog in which we simply would not be allowed to give up before the correct result was achieved. As a nation we do rise to that kind of challenge when it is placed before us. We do know how to get serious.</p>
<p>A great problem with Westminster is that they have to lie in order to get elected &#8212; they have to promise growth and jobs, lying to themselves as well in the process that they know how to achieve this. The British spirit actually achieves great things by gritting its teeth into a foul wind, and if that spirit (rather than &#8216;it will be ok&#8217;) could be wakened, it might actually be an easier sell.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2009/06/01/the-potential-role-of-transition-explored-in-the-observers-new-politics-series/comment-page-1/#comment-63024</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick.  I agree that Transition is a (very) good model but I also feel that a pragmatic approach in some communities is likely to be more productive.  It&#039;s certainly bearing fruit in Stratford and may in other communities.  I&#039;m not the only one to think that there may be an issue with how transition is perceived. See:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/06/transition-towns-where-next.php?dcitc=daily_nl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick.  I agree that Transition is a (very) good model but I also feel that a pragmatic approach in some communities is likely to be more productive.  It&#8217;s certainly bearing fruit in Stratford and may in other communities.  I&#8217;m not the only one to think that there may be an issue with how transition is perceived. See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/06/transition-towns-where-next.php?dcitc=daily_nl" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/06/transition-towns-where-next.php?dcitc=daily_nl</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - I can see what you mean in concern that Transition might struggle to get off the ground except where &quot;hippie&quot; tendencies can still be found (Noel Longhurst&#039;s forthcoming PhD thesis will tell us what it is about Totnes that makes it so naturally embracing of this culture). But I think the model is great; simple yet powerful and inspiring. Time will come when things start to get a bit more sticky and Transition Towns are moving forwards, setting their own agendas, and the rest will follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8211; I can see what you mean in concern that Transition might struggle to get off the ground except where &#8220;hippie&#8221; tendencies can still be found (Noel Longhurst&#8217;s forthcoming PhD thesis will tell us what it is about Totnes that makes it so naturally embracing of this culture). But I think the model is great; simple yet powerful and inspiring. Time will come when things start to get a bit more sticky and Transition Towns are moving forwards, setting their own agendas, and the rest will follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion - I just wanted to vote for the formation of a None of the Above Party, although I think we would need compulsory voting along with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion &#8211; I just wanted to vote for the formation of a None of the Above Party, although I think we would need compulsory voting along with it.</p>
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		<title>By: julian duggan</title>
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		<dc:creator>julian duggan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone see any legs in a &#039;none of the above&#039;party re. forthcoming general election to promote serious discussion around a broad transition inspired agenda whereby if elected, candidate immediately stands down until somebody thrashes out something worth electing.Could possibly turn existing disillusion,cynicism into something more positive would also obviously be a huge undertaking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone see any legs in a &#8216;none of the above&#8217;party re. forthcoming general election to promote serious discussion around a broad transition inspired agenda whereby if elected, candidate immediately stands down until somebody thrashes out something worth electing.Could possibly turn existing disillusion,cynicism into something more positive would also obviously be a huge undertaking!</p>
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		<title>By: Fourcultures</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fourcultures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comments from Stephen and from Marcin are spot on. It&#039;s easy when politicians are corrupt to forget the generations of struggle it took to get &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; kind of accountability at all. We&#039;ve come a long way and there&#039;s still a lot to defend (or lose). Cynical resignation about the electoral system: no thanks. Sceptical activism, yes please. 
I&#039;d like to suggest that the mocking comments on the Guardian web site are actually on to something. These people can easily caricature the Transition movement as &#039;hippy Aquarian basketweaving hobbits&#039; because it is at heart an Egalitarian endeavour. Now some of my best friends are hippy Aquarian basketweaving hobbits, but to become more than this there is a great need to translate transition practices into alternative languages and alternative aspirations. Can there be an Individualist transition, a Fatalist transition, an Individualist transition, besides the Egalitarian version where it seems natural?

I&#039;m aware that I&#039;m asking a lot, since to most Egalitarians, Fatalism, Individualism and Hierarchy can be lumped together as the Enemy.  But there are instances of this kind of translation going on. To cite one example, I thought Amory Lovins&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oilendgame.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Winning the Oil End Game&lt;/a&gt; was a great example of an Individualist take on Peak Oil. It&#039;s full of a language - wealth, choice, security, &#039;led by business for profit&#039; - which wouldn&#039;t sit very easily with Egalitarian institutions or particularly with Hierarchical ones - but the policy prescriptions are very sensible. When we can see beyond our cultural biases and hammer out policies and practices that appeal to more than one cultural solidarity, that&#039;s when we&#039;re creating a progressive politics, even if we can&#039;t ever satisfy the web comment snipers.
See the , &lt;a href=&quot;http://fourcultures.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fourcultures&lt;/a&gt; website for more commentary, and the work of Michael Thompson, Marco Verweij and others on &#039;clumsy solutions&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments from Stephen and from Marcin are spot on. It&#8217;s easy when politicians are corrupt to forget the generations of struggle it took to get <em>any</em> kind of accountability at all. We&#8217;ve come a long way and there&#8217;s still a lot to defend (or lose). Cynical resignation about the electoral system: no thanks. Sceptical activism, yes please.<br />
I&#8217;d like to suggest that the mocking comments on the Guardian web site are actually on to something. These people can easily caricature the Transition movement as &#8216;hippy Aquarian basketweaving hobbits&#8217; because it is at heart an Egalitarian endeavour. Now some of my best friends are hippy Aquarian basketweaving hobbits, but to become more than this there is a great need to translate transition practices into alternative languages and alternative aspirations. Can there be an Individualist transition, a Fatalist transition, an Individualist transition, besides the Egalitarian version where it seems natural?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware that I&#8217;m asking a lot, since to most Egalitarians, Fatalism, Individualism and Hierarchy can be lumped together as the Enemy.  But there are instances of this kind of translation going on. To cite one example, I thought Amory Lovins&#8217; <a href="http://www.oilendgame.com/" rel="nofollow">Winning the Oil End Game</a> was a great example of an Individualist take on Peak Oil. It&#8217;s full of a language &#8211; wealth, choice, security, &#8216;led by business for profit&#8217; &#8211; which wouldn&#8217;t sit very easily with Egalitarian institutions or particularly with Hierarchical ones &#8211; but the policy prescriptions are very sensible. When we can see beyond our cultural biases and hammer out policies and practices that appeal to more than one cultural solidarity, that&#8217;s when we&#8217;re creating a progressive politics, even if we can&#8217;t ever satisfy the web comment snipers.<br />
See the , <a href="http://fourcultures.com" rel="nofollow">Fourcultures</a> website for more commentary, and the work of Michael Thompson, Marco Verweij and others on &#8216;clumsy solutions&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been regularly posting on the Guardian website in response to some of the banal and reactionary comments.  However, for me much of the outpouring of mistrust highlights an issue for Transition.

When I first found out about the Transition movement I would have agreed with many of the comments on the Guardian website - &quot;great unleashing - says it all really&quot;, &quot;this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius&quot; etcetcetc.  I&#039;m sorry now to admit this but I did think the whole thing was rather New Age - based on fairies rather than facts.  Even when I attended the training weekend I recoiled at many of the &#039;touchy-feely&#039; stuff. I did it, but it terrified me.

After studying the facts - the science of peak-oil and climate change and observing the clear-thinking that developed this movement I concluded that transition is the right way forward.

But I&#039;m constantly wondering how and if Transition will work in the rough West Midland manufacturing town where I grew up.  Even in the beautiful &#039;middle class&#039; tourist centre where I now live there is much more cynicism than in Totnes or in Stroud where progressive attitudes are positively encouraged.  Our solution is to be pragmatic - we tend not to use unfamiliar terms such as &#039;powerdown&#039; and &#039;visioning&#039;. Our meetings are exciting and enthusiastic but the exercises we use to encourage talk and participation are at the non-scary end of the scale.

Yes, I do know that this is the &#039;let it go where it wants to&#039; principle in action, but I do think that it is worth considering how to reach out to people like me - before I did my homework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been regularly posting on the Guardian website in response to some of the banal and reactionary comments.  However, for me much of the outpouring of mistrust highlights an issue for Transition.</p>
<p>When I first found out about the Transition movement I would have agreed with many of the comments on the Guardian website &#8211; &#8220;great unleashing &#8211; says it all really&#8221;, &#8220;this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius&#8221; etcetcetc.  I&#8217;m sorry now to admit this but I did think the whole thing was rather New Age &#8211; based on fairies rather than facts.  Even when I attended the training weekend I recoiled at many of the &#8216;touchy-feely&#8217; stuff. I did it, but it terrified me.</p>
<p>After studying the facts &#8211; the science of peak-oil and climate change and observing the clear-thinking that developed this movement I concluded that transition is the right way forward.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m constantly wondering how and if Transition will work in the rough West Midland manufacturing town where I grew up.  Even in the beautiful &#8216;middle class&#8217; tourist centre where I now live there is much more cynicism than in Totnes or in Stroud where progressive attitudes are positively encouraged.  Our solution is to be pragmatic &#8211; we tend not to use unfamiliar terms such as &#8216;powerdown&#8217; and &#8216;visioning&#8217;. Our meetings are exciting and enthusiastic but the exercises we use to encourage talk and participation are at the non-scary end of the scale.</p>
<p>Yes, I do know that this is the &#8216;let it go where it wants to&#8217; principle in action, but I do think that it is worth considering how to reach out to people like me &#8211; before I did my homework.</p>
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		<title>By: Hay Ho &#171; Seanmckenna&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hay Ho &#171; Seanmckenna&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just checked and he&#8217;s posted it on his blog  &#8211; int intnet [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree strongly with Shane Mulligan. There&#039;s a sense of thinking maybe Westminster is good for something but I don&#039;t and won&#039;t believe that, they aren&#039;t catching up in time to do anything particularly useful.

Articles like this are really irrelevant IMO, except that a few might hear of something they hadn&#039;t heard of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree strongly with Shane Mulligan. There&#8217;s a sense of thinking maybe Westminster is good for something but I don&#8217;t and won&#8217;t believe that, they aren&#8217;t catching up in time to do anything particularly useful.</p>
<p>Articles like this are really irrelevant IMO, except that a few might hear of something they hadn&#8217;t heard of.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Shane - there&#039;s little time, current &#039;progress&#039; is glacial and sadly, as our government is apparently so worried about saying anything other than &quot;it&#039;s all going to be alright and of course there will be more of the same forever&quot; in case they lose votes, I really wonder for the future of politics as it&#039;s currently constructed. Time will tell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Shane &#8211; there&#8217;s little time, current &#8216;progress&#8217; is glacial and sadly, as our government is apparently so worried about saying anything other than &#8220;it&#8217;s all going to be alright and of course there will be more of the same forever&#8221; in case they lose votes, I really wonder for the future of politics as it&#8217;s currently constructed. Time will tell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Mulligan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Mulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was rather inspired by this piece, and Miliband&#039;s visit, and the quite impressive growth of the TT initiative. I&#039;m not sure that Bunting gets the whole significance, however. Looking over the &quot;conversation&quot; last winter between Rob and Richard Heinberg, the potential for a more &quot;anarchic&quot; (i.e. local) form of governance - along with identity, loyalty and allegiance, and ultimately arms - is part of what the coming transition would seem to portend. Indeed, politicians or communities... 

Let me clarify: if communities cannot depend on politicians to defend their &quot;security&quot; (life chances, comforts, safety), then the community owes nothing to the state. Recall Thomas Hobbes&#039; Leviathan, the basis of the state&#039;s claims to your quiescence: the sovereign lets you live as you do; so you owe the sovereign all but your life. If the sovereign fails to protect you (in Totnes or wherever) then the sovereign becomes irrelevant - and acting locally *is* your political activity. This seems to me the fundamental point she makes: politics is returning to its geography, its locale. The party system is tied to the macro of the state, and as Madeline notes, the L party is hardly holding to its premises. &quot;Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.&quot; How dull.

So if transition entails the localization of political identity and allegiance... and perhaps the decline of faith in fiat currency... the revolution may precede collapse after all... I see Totnes as nothing less than the lifeboat. I&#039;m not sure, Stephen, that the political transition you seek (at the state level) is even in the cards. More likely, London will slowly lose track of England.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was rather inspired by this piece, and Miliband&#8217;s visit, and the quite impressive growth of the TT initiative. I&#8217;m not sure that Bunting gets the whole significance, however. Looking over the &#8220;conversation&#8221; last winter between Rob and Richard Heinberg, the potential for a more &#8220;anarchic&#8221; (i.e. local) form of governance &#8211; along with identity, loyalty and allegiance, and ultimately arms &#8211; is part of what the coming transition would seem to portend. Indeed, politicians or communities&#8230; </p>
<p>Let me clarify: if communities cannot depend on politicians to defend their &#8220;security&#8221; (life chances, comforts, safety), then the community owes nothing to the state. Recall Thomas Hobbes&#8217; Leviathan, the basis of the state&#8217;s claims to your quiescence: the sovereign lets you live as you do; so you owe the sovereign all but your life. If the sovereign fails to protect you (in Totnes or wherever) then the sovereign becomes irrelevant &#8211; and acting locally *is* your political activity. This seems to me the fundamental point she makes: politics is returning to its geography, its locale. The party system is tied to the macro of the state, and as Madeline notes, the L party is hardly holding to its premises. &#8220;Meet the new boss &#8211; same as the old boss.&#8221; How dull.</p>
<p>So if transition entails the localization of political identity and allegiance&#8230; and perhaps the decline of faith in fiat currency&#8230; the revolution may precede collapse after all&#8230; I see Totnes as nothing less than the lifeboat. I&#8217;m not sure, Stephen, that the political transition you seek (at the state level) is even in the cards. More likely, London will slowly lose track of England.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Beardwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Beardwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,

This appears in *todays* (Mondays) Guardian if you want to get a copy.

Cheers

Rob</description>
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<p>This appears in *todays* (Mondays) Guardian if you want to get a copy.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Marcin Gerwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcin Gerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane, I think that both things are important: being directly involved in the community life and voting. Sometimes voting may be very hard, especially if you don&#039;t have the perfect candidate. It may feel like choosing between malaria and typhoid. However, as long as you don&#039;t have participatory democracy, voting in the elections is crucial. And it does make a difference, no matter how small.

I live in Poland where we had recently a prime minister who had inclinations for building a police state. He was voted out of the office. If it wasn&#039;t for the people who casted their votes, he could have been a prime minister for many long, long years.

20 years ago we had the first free elections in Poland since the end of the Second World War. People casted their votes and the communism in Poland was over. It may seem now that voting is insignificant. However, if it really was insignificant than there would be free elections in China...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane, I think that both things are important: being directly involved in the community life and voting. Sometimes voting may be very hard, especially if you don&#8217;t have the perfect candidate. It may feel like choosing between malaria and typhoid. However, as long as you don&#8217;t have participatory democracy, voting in the elections is crucial. And it does make a difference, no matter how small.</p>
<p>I live in Poland where we had recently a prime minister who had inclinations for building a police state. He was voted out of the office. If it wasn&#8217;t for the people who casted their votes, he could have been a prime minister for many long, long years.</p>
<p>20 years ago we had the first free elections in Poland since the end of the Second World War. People casted their votes and the communism in Poland was over. It may seem now that voting is insignificant. However, if it really was insignificant than there would be free elections in China&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Burnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Rob said &quot;As for the comments, I once asked George Monbiot if he ever reads all the usually vile comments that follow his pieces, he said he generally avoids them. It is terrible how the cloak of anonymity emboldens people to be so snidey and unpleasant!&quot;

Its more than the emboldening cloak of anonymity, Rob, one look at the predictable comments that follow any article by George Monbiot and its obvious that these are orchestrated by the organised Climate Change Denial lobby, eg, the likes of Spiked Online, etc. I guess they are successful in their aims of stifling debate as I for one usually can&#039;t be bothered to read beyond the first few posts vilifying &#039;MMCCers&#039; (Man Made Climate Changers), so predictable, boring and personalised are the level of postings...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Rob said &#8220;As for the comments, I once asked George Monbiot if he ever reads all the usually vile comments that follow his pieces, he said he generally avoids them. It is terrible how the cloak of anonymity emboldens people to be so snidey and unpleasant!&#8221;</p>
<p>Its more than the emboldening cloak of anonymity, Rob, one look at the predictable comments that follow any article by George Monbiot and its obvious that these are orchestrated by the organised Climate Change Denial lobby, eg, the likes of Spiked Online, etc. I guess they are successful in their aims of stifling debate as I for one usually can&#8217;t be bothered to read beyond the first few posts vilifying &#8216;MMCCers&#8217; (Man Made Climate Changers), so predictable, boring and personalised are the level of postings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Hughes</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2009/06/01/the-potential-role-of-transition-explored-in-the-observers-new-politics-series/comment-page-1/#comment-62976</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James said;
&quot;Interesting article but Transition is more of a ’suck it and see’ set of social experiments that seem to be working - rather than a political movement -&quot;

I&#039;ve always been quite interested by this distinction. Is working in your community being political? I&#039;ve never voted and you often hear not voting linked with apathy, yet i spend nearly all my working hours unpaid in my community. The distinction that interests me is, is there a time when we start to become a form of do-it-ourself or do-as-we-will politics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James said;<br />
&#8220;Interesting article but Transition is more of a ’suck it and see’ set of social experiments that seem to be working &#8211; rather than a political movement -&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been quite interested by this distinction. Is working in your community being political? I&#8217;ve never voted and you often hear not voting linked with apathy, yet i spend nearly all my working hours unpaid in my community. The distinction that interests me is, is there a time when we start to become a form of do-it-ourself or do-as-we-will politics?</p>
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