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	<title>Comments on: Patrick Whitefield Reviews &#8216;The Transition Timeline&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Zero Carbon Castle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zero Carbon Castle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;it’s all about what we can do as communities to confront the twin challenges of peak oil and climate change. The basic premise is that government action is always too little and too late, while acting as individuals is too daunting, but if we act as communities – towns, villages, islands etc – we have a chance of really changing things&#8221;. Patrick Whitefield [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Creating Transition Bedford &#124; Transition Bedford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creating Transition Bedford &#124; Transition Bedford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &quot;it’s all about what we can do as communities to confront the twin challenges of peak oil and climate change. The basic premise is that government action is always too little and too late, while acting as individuals is too daunting, but if we act as communities – towns, villages, islands etc – we have a chance of really changing things&quot;. Patrick Whitefield [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &quot;it’s all about what we can do as communities to confront the twin challenges of peak oil and climate change. The basic premise is that government action is always too little and too late, while acting as individuals is too daunting, but if we act as communities – towns, villages, islands etc – we have a chance of really changing things&quot;. Patrick Whitefield [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Creating Transition Bedford &#171; Transition Bedford&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creating Transition Bedford &#171; Transition Bedford&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;it’s all about what we can do as communities to confront the twin challenges of peak oil and climate change. The basic premise is that government action is always too little and too late, while acting as individuals is too daunting, but if we act as communities – towns, villages, islands etc – we have a chance of really changing things&#8221;. Patrick Whitefield [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Transition Timeline: A State of the Art Report : Chelsea Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Transition Timeline: A State of the Art Report : Chelsea Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this book review, permaculture expert Patrick Whitefield takes a look at Shaun&#8217;s book and finds [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shaun Chamberlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 23:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks JTM,

I really appreciated Patrick&#039;s considered and thoughtful review, but you&#039;re certainly right that I do not &quot;regard the transition movement as mainly an exercise in demonstrating to the government how much we care&quot;.

As I have briefly met Patrick a few times, and have a huge respect for him, I emailed him a couple of days ago to respond to his review.  I actually made some of the same points you do, highlighting that I was trying to provide a tool for communities which examines the national context within which EDAPs will develop, rather than trying to write the local EDAPs themselves.

I believe that Government actions are as much part of shaping our collective future as oil depletion rates or CO2 concentrations, so they were included in the book.  In the Transition Vision of the future outlined therein (one of four possible futures considered), our government is seen taking actions that support and encourage the ongoing transition growing from communities across the world.  This in no way undermines my belief that the community level is the key to addressing our global challenges.

I couldn&#039;t put it better than &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theleaneconomyconnection.net/downloads.html#TEQs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Fleming once did&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;Large-scale problems do not require large-scale solutions, they require small-scale solutions within a large-scale framework&quot;

Incidentally, I did a more detailed writeup of my thoughts on The Transition Timeline &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.darkoptimism.org/2009/04/15/the-transition-timeline-in-detail/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on my blog last month&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks JTM,</p>
<p>I really appreciated Patrick&#8217;s considered and thoughtful review, but you&#8217;re certainly right that I do not &#8220;regard the transition movement as mainly an exercise in demonstrating to the government how much we care&#8221;.</p>
<p>As I have briefly met Patrick a few times, and have a huge respect for him, I emailed him a couple of days ago to respond to his review.  I actually made some of the same points you do, highlighting that I was trying to provide a tool for communities which examines the national context within which EDAPs will develop, rather than trying to write the local EDAPs themselves.</p>
<p>I believe that Government actions are as much part of shaping our collective future as oil depletion rates or CO2 concentrations, so they were included in the book.  In the Transition Vision of the future outlined therein (one of four possible futures considered), our government is seen taking actions that support and encourage the ongoing transition growing from communities across the world.  This in no way undermines my belief that the community level is the key to addressing our global challenges.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t put it better than <a href="http://www.theleaneconomyconnection.net/downloads.html#TEQs" rel="nofollow">David Fleming once did</a>, &#8220;Large-scale problems do not require large-scale solutions, they require small-scale solutions within a large-scale framework&#8221;</p>
<p>Incidentally, I did a more detailed writeup of my thoughts on The Transition Timeline <a href="http://www.darkoptimism.org/2009/04/15/the-transition-timeline-in-detail/" rel="nofollow">on my blog last month</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: JTM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun came to Bungay and spoke at our Unleashing on Saturday (http://is.gd/zsSh). He really was fantastic - a natural communicator - with complete command of an incredibly complex subject (peak oil and climate change)...

In the review Patrick says:

&quot;He seems to regard the transition movement as mainly an exercise in demonstrating to the government how much we care, to the point where they will make the necessary changes. To me this is a complete travesty of the transition concept.&quot;

I think this is a misreading both of Shaun&#039;s position - which, as presented to us, is very much about the power of collective, community action - and, more fundamentally, of the nature of government / power relations in our (UK) society.

To my mind this book is all about timelines - but it isn&#039;t about to write them for us - instead the book focuses on the broader context in which a community created timeline sits and, in Rob&#039;s section, offers some tips on creating them. The book isn&#039;t perfect, but it is a powerful tool designed to help us to stay focused and create more than just wish-lists.

J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun came to Bungay and spoke at our Unleashing on Saturday (<a href="http://is.gd/zsSh" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/zsSh</a>). He really was fantastic &#8211; a natural communicator &#8211; with complete command of an incredibly complex subject (peak oil and climate change)&#8230;</p>
<p>In the review Patrick says:</p>
<p>&#8220;He seems to regard the transition movement as mainly an exercise in demonstrating to the government how much we care, to the point where they will make the necessary changes. To me this is a complete travesty of the transition concept.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a misreading both of Shaun&#8217;s position &#8211; which, as presented to us, is very much about the power of collective, community action &#8211; and, more fundamentally, of the nature of government / power relations in our (UK) society.</p>
<p>To my mind this book is all about timelines &#8211; but it isn&#8217;t about to write them for us &#8211; instead the book focuses on the broader context in which a community created timeline sits and, in Rob&#8217;s section, offers some tips on creating them. The book isn&#8217;t perfect, but it is a powerful tool designed to help us to stay focused and create more than just wish-lists.</p>
<p>J</p>
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