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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes we burn&#039;t our beeswax candles that we made earlier in the year from our own bees and played backgammon...I hadn&#039;t thought about flicking the mains switch. Next year if there is a next year, as in next year for earth watch not year generally!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes we burn&#8217;t our beeswax candles that we made earlier in the year from our own bees and played backgammon&#8230;I hadn&#8217;t thought about flicking the mains switch. Next year if there is a next year, as in next year for earth watch not year generally!!</p>
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		<title>By: helen - transition matlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>helen - transition matlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi

i agree with ceridwen that turning everything off and living without any electricty for an hour once a year would be a very powefull symbolic act, and actually could be very enjoyable, think of the happy hours spent camping, when forced to sit around and play traditional games and chat to each other by torchlight...

and ceridwen keep up your good work on MSE :)

helen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi</p>
<p>i agree with ceridwen that turning everything off and living without any electricty for an hour once a year would be a very powefull symbolic act, and actually could be very enjoyable, think of the happy hours spent camping, when forced to sit around and play traditional games and chat to each other by torchlight&#8230;</p>
<p>and ceridwen keep up your good work on MSE <img src='http://transitionculture.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>helen</p>
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		<title>By: ceridwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceridwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well....I tend to think that Earth Hour should consist of everyone turning everything off (apart from vital life-preserving things). So - I duly flicked the main switch in my house - and the LOT went off for that hour (fridge/freezer and all). Never mind embodied energy in candles - it was just me and my wind-up lantern and wind-up radio to listen to. THIS is what I think would make a noticeable impact - when it was clearly visible at the power stations that there had been a noticeable reduction in demand for power during that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;.I tend to think that Earth Hour should consist of everyone turning everything off (apart from vital life-preserving things). So &#8211; I duly flicked the main switch in my house &#8211; and the LOT went off for that hour (fridge/freezer and all). Never mind embodied energy in candles &#8211; it was just me and my wind-up lantern and wind-up radio to listen to. THIS is what I think would make a noticeable impact &#8211; when it was clearly visible at the power stations that there had been a noticeable reduction in demand for power during that time.</p>
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		<title>By: C Robb</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earth Hour, what did we learn? And more importantly how will we change our behaviour? 

I mostly read by windup head torch for the hour and did some gardening jobs, some yoga, and tidied up our room. I also took a stroll a few blocks around mainstreet Hamilton Bermuda. There did seem to be quite a lot of lights off but not nearly enough. I appreciate the statement of solidarity with those fighting to deal with climate change but Earth Hour should provoke change. 

Myself, I intend to be more careful about turning off power strips, and thus all the devices attached to them. I already read by windup headtorch most nights and will continue to. I never use the tumble dryer as we have very high quality solar drying potential here in Bermuda, though I never used it in the UK where we had somewhat lower quality solar resources. So today I hung out my clothes in the warm breeze. Later, I&#039;ll be walking the hour or so it takes to get to my friends house for dinner and a film.

But what would it take to go further? I like this idea found on Living the Frugal Life.
http://livingthefrugallife.blogspot.com/

&quot;Some of the blogs I read that deal with preparing for life after peak oil, or the next great depression, or political collapse strongly suggest turning off the electricity at the junction box for a weekend or a week, just to see how well you can function without it, and to see in what areas you&#039;d like to be better prepared or equipped. I&#039;ve never done this. But having just turned off the lights for an hour and a half last night, I can see that some sort of light other than oil lamps would sure be nice, if it came to that. Perhaps solar lanterns, or some hand-cranked battery powered lighting. Reading by oil lamps would probably ruin my eyesight sooner rather than later. It took less than an hour with the lights turned off to learn this.&quot;

As we are staying in a guest house I won&#039;t be able to do this but it is similar to the Free From Power days I did when we lived in Sheffield. Here&#039;s more on those;
http://sustliving.blogspot.com/2008/09/report-on-first-free-from-power-day-by.html
http://sustliving.blogspot.com/2008/10/2nd-free-from-power-day-report-by-robb.html
http://sustliving.blogspot.com/2008/11/3rd-free-from-power-day.html


Thanks to Cliffird Wirth over at Surviving Peak Oil for the heads up on that Frugal Living site.
http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/2009/03/peak-oil-financial-planning-living.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earth Hour, what did we learn? And more importantly how will we change our behaviour? </p>
<p>I mostly read by windup head torch for the hour and did some gardening jobs, some yoga, and tidied up our room. I also took a stroll a few blocks around mainstreet Hamilton Bermuda. There did seem to be quite a lot of lights off but not nearly enough. I appreciate the statement of solidarity with those fighting to deal with climate change but Earth Hour should provoke change. </p>
<p>Myself, I intend to be more careful about turning off power strips, and thus all the devices attached to them. I already read by windup headtorch most nights and will continue to. I never use the tumble dryer as we have very high quality solar drying potential here in Bermuda, though I never used it in the UK where we had somewhat lower quality solar resources. So today I hung out my clothes in the warm breeze. Later, I&#8217;ll be walking the hour or so it takes to get to my friends house for dinner and a film.</p>
<p>But what would it take to go further? I like this idea found on Living the Frugal Life.<br />
<a href="http://livingthefrugallife.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://livingthefrugallife.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Some of the blogs I read that deal with preparing for life after peak oil, or the next great depression, or political collapse strongly suggest turning off the electricity at the junction box for a weekend or a week, just to see how well you can function without it, and to see in what areas you&#8217;d like to be better prepared or equipped. I&#8217;ve never done this. But having just turned off the lights for an hour and a half last night, I can see that some sort of light other than oil lamps would sure be nice, if it came to that. Perhaps solar lanterns, or some hand-cranked battery powered lighting. Reading by oil lamps would probably ruin my eyesight sooner rather than later. It took less than an hour with the lights turned off to learn this.&#8221;</p>
<p>As we are staying in a guest house I won&#8217;t be able to do this but it is similar to the Free From Power days I did when we lived in Sheffield. Here&#8217;s more on those;<br />
<a href="http://sustliving.blogspot.com/2008/09/report-on-first-free-from-power-day-by.html" rel="nofollow">http://sustliving.blogspot.com/2008/09/report-on-first-free-from-power-day-by.html</a><br />
<a href="http://sustliving.blogspot.com/2008/10/2nd-free-from-power-day-report-by-robb.html" rel="nofollow">http://sustliving.blogspot.com/2008/10/2nd-free-from-power-day-report-by-robb.html</a><br />
<a href="http://sustliving.blogspot.com/2008/11/3rd-free-from-power-day.html" rel="nofollow">http://sustliving.blogspot.com/2008/11/3rd-free-from-power-day.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks to Cliffird Wirth over at Surviving Peak Oil for the heads up on that Frugal Living site.<br />
<a href="http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/2009/03/peak-oil-financial-planning-living.html" rel="nofollow">http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/2009/03/peak-oil-financial-planning-living.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reevesie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reevesie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For info, here&#039;s a link to an interesting piece George Marshall from COIN wrote on why Earth Hour might not be such a good idea: http://www.guardian.co.uk:80/environment/cif-green/2009/mar/27/climate-change-carbon-emissions

I think if it&#039;s done in the way Rob describes though, it can be great. It reminds me of a week-long power cut we had in my village many years ago, when me and my family spent each evening gathered around the fire in the living room rather than scattered &#039;round the house watching many TVs, and it felt really special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For info, here&#8217;s a link to an interesting piece George Marshall from COIN wrote on why Earth Hour might not be such a good idea: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk:80/environment/cif-green/2009/mar/27/climate-change-carbon-emissions" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk:80/environment/cif-green/2009/mar/27/climate-change-carbon-emissions</a></p>
<p>I think if it&#8217;s done in the way Rob describes though, it can be great. It reminds me of a week-long power cut we had in my village many years ago, when me and my family spent each evening gathered around the fire in the living room rather than scattered &#8217;round the house watching many TVs, and it felt really special.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Embodied energy:

http://www.thewatt.com/node/175

Mercury:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/05/ask_treehugger_14.php

(I suspect mercury fillings in ones mouth 24/7 are much worse!)

Anyway - I&#039;m distracting from the message of your post and the game of Uno!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Embodied energy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thewatt.com/node/175" rel="nofollow">http://www.thewatt.com/node/175</a></p>
<p>Mercury:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/05/ask_treehugger_14.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/05/ask_treehugger_14.php</a></p>
<p>(I suspect mercury fillings in ones mouth 24/7 are much worse!)</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; I&#8217;m distracting from the message of your post and the game of Uno!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point Tom.... do the figures for CO2 from cfls include the embodied energy of them?  Also, my candles didn&#039;t create any problems in terms of mercury when disposed of.... yes, yes, I know about the fire, will be getting an efficient woodstove soon which ought to help.... it&#039;s that or the anaerobic digestor that no-one is planning to set up anywhere near us soon to keep us warm!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point Tom&#8230;. do the figures for CO2 from cfls include the embodied energy of them?  Also, my candles didn&#8217;t create any problems in terms of mercury when disposed of&#8230;. yes, yes, I know about the fire, will be getting an efficient woodstove soon which ought to help&#8230;. it&#8217;s that or the anaerobic digestor that no-one is planning to set up anywhere near us soon to keep us warm!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob - I appreciate that this post is about the symbolism of the event. Unfortunately lighting candles is likely to cause more C02 emissions than leaving on a light bulb. One candle has the same CO2 emissions as one 7 watt CFL bulb which provides 40 times as much light! I hope you didn&#039;t light too many candles!

See: http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/03/burning-candles/ for the details.

As for lighting the fire - well that&#039;s a real disaster!

See: http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=3526&amp;page=1

Glad you all had a nice evening nonetheless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob &#8211; I appreciate that this post is about the symbolism of the event. Unfortunately lighting candles is likely to cause more C02 emissions than leaving on a light bulb. One candle has the same CO2 emissions as one 7 watt CFL bulb which provides 40 times as much light! I hope you didn&#8217;t light too many candles!</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/03/burning-candles/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stubbornmule.net/2009/03/burning-candles/</a> for the details.</p>
<p>As for lighting the fire &#8211; well that&#8217;s a real disaster!</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=3526&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=3526&amp;page=1</a></p>
<p>Glad you all had a nice evening nonetheless!</p>
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