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]]> By: pj http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61539 pj Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:57:59 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61539 go Rod! you definitely need a blog. i agree. for the first time in human history there are more people living in urban areas than rural ones. why this is catastrophic is that more people are relying upon the importation of resources. not only is this terrible for skywards carbon generation, and hence temperature hikes, but it means more and more people are dislocated from ecologic functioning, which in turn leads to lifestyles based on mediations and abstractions while not 'fessing up to the resource wars that rage elsewhere on their lifestyle's behalf. life is what we have to return to, and in order to do this we have to unveil and dismantle our lifestyles based on the production of stuff – unnecessary (non-compostable) shit mainly. in terms of how we get there i offer three things: 1. dispersal of urban centers large enough in numbers to have to rely upon the importation of resources (see Derrick Jensen). 2. referral of traditional indigenous permacultural methods to reconstruct permanent economies and societies, and 3. the study and application of modern success stories post major crunches – eg. the recent Cuban rural/urban permacultural revolution or Geoff Lawton greening the Jordanian desert. more madness can be found at <a>the garden of self defence</a>. cheers, and thanks for providing the space.. pj go Rod! you definitely need a blog.

i agree. for the first time in human history there are more people living in urban areas than rural ones. why this is catastrophic is that more people are relying upon the importation of resources. not only is this terrible for skywards carbon generation, and hence temperature hikes, but it means more and more people are dislocated from ecologic functioning, which in turn leads to lifestyles based on mediations and abstractions while not ‘fessing up to the resource wars that rage elsewhere on their lifestyle’s behalf.

life is what we have to return to, and in order to do this we have to unveil and dismantle our lifestyles based on the production of stuff – unnecessary (non-compostable) shit mainly.

in terms of how we get there i offer three things: 1. dispersal of urban centers large enough in numbers to have to rely upon the importation of resources (see Derrick Jensen). 2. referral of traditional indigenous permacultural methods to reconstruct permanent economies and societies, and 3. the study and application of modern success stories post major crunches – eg. the recent Cuban rural/urban permacultural revolution or Geoff Lawton greening the Jordanian desert.

more madness can be found at the garden of self defence.

cheers, and thanks for providing the space..

pj

]]> By: Rodney Davis http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61518 Rodney Davis Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:45:12 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61518 Redistributing Wealth. We shouldnt shy away from this issue but rather voice it aloud and with confidence. It is the most crucial issue facing the whole world and its people now. While Allen Fullers explanatory points are all good (ie what sort of wealth, and exactly what should be done with it, and what sort of rules we need, and especially Community prosperity equality and fairness, as opposed to todays state-legislated "Individual Greed") We do need to put it big and loud on the political agenda. The legalised theft of the worlds resources and the destruction of environment wildlife and people has now reached a point where Billions of lives are at risk. The costs of ruthless exploitation already dirctly cause the deaths from poverty-effects, of Millions of lives each year and it goes on year by year, a virtual Tsunami every month, or is it every second week! If this is not mass-murder I dont know what it is. Today the effects of global warming, according to researchers, are in the first instance threatening the lives of one Billion people who are at the level of absolute poverty with no resources, and then another Billion living on marginal land in the tropical regions, and if it isnt stopped, and it is not at the moment, up to four fifths of the worlds population will die. The tropics will be fried and currently marginal land will become uninhabitable and even wider areas will become marginal. The main reason this is so catastrophic is because people have chopped down most of the worlds natural forests - something like 75% now gone - and the most active of the forests, the tropical and subtropical rainforests - are one of the main things keeping our worlds climate stable and balanced and temperate. You could say that the forests are The Lungs of the Planet, our climate and atmosphere has been created by forests and vegetation, and human beings have destroyed the only thing that can fix it and get us back a temperate world climate. The immediate effect of cutting down forest cover is to raise the temperatures there at least 3 degrees, and then another 5 to 10 degrees as it widens and intensifies. The tropics will fry! Combined with industrial warming emmissions, the human race has trully stuffed the planet and facing us with the biggest genocidal mass murder in earths history. There will be a mass migration of literally billions of people, thus the efforts of the wealthy countries like USA Europe Australia, in fact much of the world, to beef up their border security and turn them into full fledged military forces to basically shoot them down or tow them out to sea to die. The rate of polar warming really looks like weve reached the 'tipping point' to out of control world wide climate disruption. It now looks like the earths climate is sensitive to and effected by everything, the past record of continual and repeated life wipeouts on this planet due to catastrophic climate collapses attests to that. The fact that we are currently entering a solar warming period which culminates in about 4 years and could raise world temperatures from 1 to 3 degrees, is happening at a time when ... the worlds population is increasing at hundreds of millions each generation, the collapse of the worlds fish stocks, the ongoing loss of arable food crop land, the massive and unrelenting destruction of our environment and lifeforms through toxic chemical and industrial pollution, in this last year the number of people in the world living in absolute poverty has increased for the first time in approx 10 years, wiping out all the gains made in the UNs campaign in reducing poverty (Actually most of the gains were made in China and a bit in India, poverty in most ofthe rest of the world actually got worse),this due to the 'food crisis' which has been suddenly forgotten about by the worlds news media since the wealthy worlds economic collapse went 'runaway', and the effects have not really started yet. The worldwide economic and climate collapse is happening at a time when the numbers living in absolute poverty is the highest it has ever been and at a time when the world is the richest and the most wealthy it has ever been. It might look like there are just too many people for the planet now, outstripping the resources and environment ecology and climate, its reached breaking point. But this is not true. It has been estimated that all the wealth of the world added up, would be more than enough to provide adequate food, healthcare, clothing, housing, education and adequately paid employment for 5 times the worlds present population. Some say more like 10 times the worlds population. In reality we could all be living in a veritable Garden of Eden, instead the people running the show have turned it into a Vale of Tears for unimmaginable millioms of people that we cannot really comprehend. The suffering of just one person can be horrifying and distressing, that it is hundreds of millions, or 2 billion is incmprehensible and unbelievable, but this insanity is actually happening. This is not these poor peoples fault, they have been rendered and reduced by other people and governments to this situation. The whole problem is that there is actually more than enough, but it is it is not shared, the worlds resources and people being used and exploited by the greedy few for self enrichment while the very people producing and growing this wealth are in lifelong poverty and needless death and desease. For no good reason at all. The only solution is that the world must fairly share the wealth and resources and on a environmentally sustainable basis. The only solution is a humane solution. We have reached the point in history where there is no otheralternative to a planetwide mass extermination of life as nature has always done when an organism destroys its ecology. How we get there is a big question. Redistributing Wealth.
We shouldnt shy away from this issue but rather voice it aloud and with confidence. It is the most crucial issue facing the whole world and its people now.
While Allen Fullers explanatory points are all good (ie what sort of wealth, and exactly what should be done with it, and what sort of rules we need, and especially Community prosperity equality and fairness, as opposed to todays state-legislated “Individual Greed”)
We do need to put it big and loud on the political agenda.
The legalised theft of the worlds resources and the destruction of environment wildlife and people has now reached a point where Billions of lives are at risk. The costs of ruthless exploitation already dirctly cause the deaths from poverty-effects, of Millions of lives each year and it goes on year by year, a virtual Tsunami every month, or is it every second week! If this is not mass-murder I dont know what it is.
Today the effects of global warming, according to researchers, are in the first instance threatening the lives of one Billion people who are at the level of absolute poverty with no resources, and then another Billion living on marginal land in the tropical regions, and if it isnt stopped, and it is not at the moment, up to four fifths of the worlds population will die. The tropics will be fried and currently marginal land will become uninhabitable and even wider areas will become marginal. The main reason this is so catastrophic is because people have chopped down most of the worlds natural forests – something like 75% now gone – and the most active of the forests, the tropical and subtropical rainforests – are one of the main things keeping our worlds climate stable and balanced and temperate. You could say that the forests are The Lungs of the Planet, our climate and atmosphere has been created by forests and vegetation, and human beings have destroyed the only thing that can fix it and get us back a temperate world climate.
The immediate effect of cutting down forest cover is to raise the temperatures there at least 3 degrees, and then another 5 to 10 degrees as it widens and intensifies. The tropics will fry! Combined with industrial warming emmissions, the human race has trully stuffed the planet and facing us with the biggest genocidal mass murder in earths history. There will be a mass migration of literally billions of people, thus the efforts of the wealthy countries like USA Europe Australia, in fact much of the world, to beef up their border security and turn them into full fledged military forces to basically shoot them down or tow them out to sea to die.
The rate of polar warming really looks like weve reached the ‘tipping point’ to out of control world wide climate disruption.
It now looks like the earths climate is sensitive to and effected by everything, the past record of continual and repeated life wipeouts on this planet due to catastrophic climate collapses attests to that. The fact that we are currently entering a solar warming period which culminates in about 4 years and could raise world temperatures from 1 to 3 degrees, is happening at a time when …
the worlds population is increasing at hundreds of millions each generation,
the collapse of the worlds fish stocks,
the ongoing loss of arable food crop land,
the massive and unrelenting destruction of our environment and lifeforms through toxic chemical and industrial pollution,
in this last year the number of people in the world living in absolute poverty has increased for the first time in approx 10 years, wiping out all the gains made in the UNs campaign in reducing poverty (Actually most of the gains were made in China and a bit in India, poverty in most ofthe rest of the world actually got worse),this due to the ‘food crisis’ which has been suddenly forgotten about by the worlds news media since the wealthy worlds economic collapse went ‘runaway’, and the effects have not really started yet.
The worldwide economic and climate collapse is happening at a time when the numbers living in absolute poverty is the highest it has ever been and at a time when the world is the richest and the most wealthy it has ever been. It might look like there are just too many people for the planet now, outstripping the resources and environment ecology and climate, its reached breaking point. But this is not true.
It has been estimated that all the wealth of the world added up, would be more than enough to provide adequate food, healthcare, clothing, housing, education and adequately paid employment for 5 times the worlds present population. Some say more like 10 times the worlds population.
In reality we could all be living in a veritable Garden of Eden, instead the people running the show have turned it into a Vale of Tears for unimmaginable millioms of people that we cannot really comprehend. The suffering of just one person can be horrifying and distressing, that it is hundreds of millions, or 2 billion is incmprehensible and unbelievable, but this insanity is actually happening.
This is not these poor peoples fault, they have been rendered and reduced by other people and governments to this situation.
The whole problem is that there is actually more than enough, but it is it is not shared, the worlds resources and people being used and exploited by the greedy few for self enrichment while the very people producing and growing this wealth are in lifelong poverty and needless death and desease. For no good reason at all.
The only solution is that the world must fairly share the wealth and resources and on a environmentally sustainable basis.
The only solution is a humane solution.
We have reached the point in history where there is no otheralternative to a planetwide mass extermination of life as nature has always done when an organism destroys its ecology.
How we get there is a big question.

]]> By: DaveDann http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61507 DaveDann Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:42:54 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61507 To Allen Fuller Why is it that you want to deceive people about the idea of 'redistributing wealth'? Are you a politician? To Allen Fuller
Why is it that you want to deceive people about the idea of ‘redistributing wealth’? Are you a politician?

]]> By: dana miller http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61505 dana miller Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:21:19 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61505 I DO feel better!!!! I DO feel better!!!!

]]> By: pj http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61486 pj Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:21:18 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61486 Sampled from David Graeber's <i>Possibilities</i> (AK Press): "...in an age when anarchism is rapidly replacing statist ideologies as the standard-bearer of revolutionary struggle (p91)...there's a reason why so many workers in modern capitalist countries have chosen to refer to themselves as "wage-slave"(p93). The ideological biases become clearest when one considers not just what's being argued, but the arguments it never occurs to anyone to make (p94). Sampled from David Graeber’s Possibilities (AK Press):

“…in an age when anarchism is rapidly replacing statist ideologies as the standard-bearer of revolutionary struggle (p91)…there’s a reason why so many workers in modern capitalist countries have chosen to refer to themselves as “wage-slave”(p93). The ideological biases become clearest when one considers not just what’s being argued, but the arguments it never occurs to anyone to make (p94).

]]> By: Ben Brangwyn http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61485 Ben Brangwyn Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:25:08 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61485 A quick message to Robert Miles. I'm not finding the "lot of rot" comment particularly insightful. It would be very helpful if you could give us a couple of points that you'd endorse so that we could look through your eyes at this problem. Thanks. Ben. A quick message to Robert Miles.

I’m not finding the “lot of rot” comment particularly insightful. It would be very helpful if you could give us a couple of points that you’d endorse so that we could look through your eyes at this problem.

Thanks. Ben.

]]> By: Robert Miles http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61479 Robert Miles Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:57:42 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61479 I'm reading "Atlas Shrugged" now, and these ideas are identical to the ones proposed by Jim Taggart and all the other statist characters. What a load of rot! I’m reading “Atlas Shrugged” now, and these ideas are identical to the ones proposed by Jim Taggart and all the other statist characters. What a load of rot!

]]> By: steph bradley http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61472 steph bradley Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:18:17 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61472 Last week we asked classes of year 7 children (11-12 year olds) the question of what makes us happy and they came up with: good relationships & communications (family, friends, pets) health & well being time for fun and enjoyment with others freedom of choice and equality saftety, food, water & shelter interestingly very few mentioned money and those who did said it in a way - "financial security" that sounded a little like that might have been parent speak rather than their own ideas... Last week we asked classes of year 7 children (11-12 year olds) the question of what makes us happy and they came up with:

good relationships & communications (family, friends, pets)
health & well being
time for fun and enjoyment with others
freedom of choice and equality
saftety, food, water & shelter

interestingly very few mentioned money and those who did said it in a way – “financial security” that sounded a little like that might have been parent speak rather than their own ideas…

]]> By: Allen Fuller http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61469 Allen Fuller Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:29:42 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61469 E.g. - "The focus needs to move from maximising individual wealth to maximising community prosperity" - "The focus needs to move from maximising wealth to promoting equal access to opportunity" - "The focus needs to move from maximising wealth to building healthy, equitable communities" At any rate, maximizing wealth is not a bad goal in and of itself, provided it is the right kind of wealth (intellectual, environmental, health, relational, etc.) instead of mere monetary wealth. Monetary wealth should be a tool to aid in all these if used properly, but has become an end to itself. We should refocus our metrics of success from mere monetary wealth to all the other dimensions, which takes us back to point 1 (economics should be about more than just pursuing GDP). Provided we have the right metrics of success (including some that measure equitability, impact on environment, etc.), there is no problem in attempting to maximize them. E.g.
- “The focus needs to move from maximising individual wealth to maximising community prosperity”
- “The focus needs to move from maximising wealth to promoting equal access to opportunity”
- “The focus needs to move from maximising wealth to building healthy, equitable communities”

At any rate, maximizing wealth is not a bad goal in and of itself, provided it is the right kind of wealth (intellectual, environmental, health, relational, etc.) instead of mere monetary wealth. Monetary wealth should be a tool to aid in all these if used properly, but has become an end to itself. We should refocus our metrics of success from mere monetary wealth to all the other dimensions, which takes us back to point 1 (economics should be about more than just pursuing GDP). Provided we have the right metrics of success (including some that measure equitability, impact on environment, etc.), there is no problem in attempting to maximize them.

]]> By: Allen Fuller http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61468 Allen Fuller Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:18:55 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61468 Given that the phrase "redistributing wealth" is politically poisonous to many, it may be better to rephrase it as ensuring equal access, leveling the playing field, etc. Given that the phrase “redistributing wealth” is politically poisonous to many, it may be better to rephrase it as ensuring equal access, leveling the playing field, etc.

]]> By: pj http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61431 pj Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:27:04 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61431 great notes, thanks! herman daly (UK ecologist-economist) writes extensively on biophysical economics. indigenous australians lived an agro-ecological existence for 40,000 years - so many models for permanent culture! cheers, pj (<a href="http://www.gardenofselfdefence.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">garden of self defence</a>) great notes, thanks!

herman daly (UK ecologist-economist) writes extensively on biophysical economics. indigenous australians lived an agro-ecological existence for 40,000 years – so many models for permanent culture!

cheers,
pj (garden of self defence)

]]> By: Bart Anderson http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61416 Bart Anderson Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:51:23 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61416 Love the 9 points. One suggestion on >> 4. Don’t promote the search for status The problem is that "status" is an intrinsic part of human societies. We can't get away from it. HOWEVER, what we can do is try to arrange our lives and communities so that "status" goes to people who are making things better. Instead of awarding status to those with big cars, fancy clothes, aggressive/selfish attitudes, we can recognize those people who contribute to the community. If you've worked in a volunteer group, you've seen how natural leaders emerge - those who are fair, hard-working, far-sighted. So, I think I would point 4 to read: >> 4. Give status and recognition to people who embody positive values, who contribute to the group. Bart Energy Bulletin Love the 9 points.

One suggestion on
>> 4. Don’t promote the search for status

The problem is that “status” is an intrinsic part of human societies. We can’t get away from it.

HOWEVER, what we can do is try to arrange our lives and communities so that “status” goes to people who are making things better.

Instead of awarding status to those with big cars, fancy clothes, aggressive/selfish attitudes, we can recognize those people who contribute to the community.

If you’ve worked in a volunteer group, you’ve seen how natural leaders emerge – those who are fair, hard-working, far-sighted.

So, I think I would point 4 to read:

>> 4. Give status and recognition to people who embody positive values, who contribute to the group.

Bart
Energy Bulletin

]]> By: Deborah http://transitionculture.org/2009/02/13/nine-tools-for-a-happier-society/comment-page-1/#comment-61407 Deborah Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:17:11 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/?p=2385#comment-61407 Approaching cooking with reckless abandon is easy and results in some very hot chilli's!!! Approaching cooking with reckless abandon is easy and results in some very hot chilli’s!!!

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