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	<title>Comments on: The 200 Artisan Skills Required to Make a Victorian Town Functional</title>
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		<title>By: davey</title>
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		<dc:creator>davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth is, to survive, most successful rural people have at least 40 of these skills, and hitch up with someone who knows another 40. Specialization isn&#039;t the answer for self-sufficiency and resilience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth is, to survive, most successful rural people have at least 40 of these skills, and hitch up with someone who knows another 40. Specialization isn&#8217;t the answer for self-sufficiency and resilience.</p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ummmm 

u dont need to visit archives for this information. there are many places in this time where you can experience pre/early industrial lifestyles today.</description>
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<p>u dont need to visit archives for this information. there are many places in this time where you can experience pre/early industrial lifestyles today.</p>
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		<title>By: Josef Davies-Coates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josef Davies-Coates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shane, nice to see you here :)

I like how you define appropriate technology:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;appropriate technology is a real mix between age old traditional craft and modern knowledge&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The people taking this to the extreme, and who I find incredibly inspirational are:

http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/
http://openfarmtech.org

Check it out! (and join me in giving them $10/month to forward their important work)

Smiles,

Josef.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shane, nice to see you here <img src='http://transitionculture.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I like how you define appropriate technology:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;appropriate technology is a real mix between age old traditional craft and modern knowledge&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The people taking this to the extreme, and who I find incredibly inspirational are:</p>
<p><a href="http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/" rel="nofollow">http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/</a><br />
<a href="http://openfarmtech.org" rel="nofollow">http://openfarmtech.org</a></p>
<p>Check it out! (and join me in giving them $10/month to forward their important work)</p>
<p>Smiles,</p>
<p>Josef.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Eoin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Eoin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come away with two distinctly different thoughts from this list (and the expanded list from Risa B),

On the positive side, that for anyone looking to reskill themselves now for our inevitably altered and more challenging future, the list is surprisingly long and big on choice. Somewhere in the back of my mind I&#039;d been assuming that any kind of reskilling for a post-oil, relocalized world would involve mundanity and being forced to follow a specific line of work against one&#039;s wishes. Looking at the list in print I realise it&#039;s almost the opposite case. When we can no longer import products cheaply made in distant factories by exploited workers using exploited materials, the onus switches to being able to manufacture and service equivalents locally, creating opportunities for skills and careers that wouldn&#039;t currently be viable in our economy.

Which leads me on to the negative side, looking at the list also makes me realise that in the real world I know very few people with a skill or career mentioned on the list. I can only speak for the UK here, but you could argue that in recent years the government has done everything possible (consciously or unconsciously, you choose...) to eradicate these kind of careers. When you take this into account, you realise it&#039;s going to be an uphill struggle to reskill the thousands upon thousands of call centre workers, the entire state-employed management tier of bureaucratic non-job workers, carphone warehouse salespeople, bank staff, beauty therapists, 99% of all IT workers, 99% of shopping mall retail workers, 99% of the drinks/entertainment industry (bouncers, bar staff, DJs), music/film/tv industry, pharmaceutical industry, arms industry, car industry, the CCTV manufacture and operation services, airline industry, the construction industry (those involved in concrete box Barrat urban sprawl new town abominations, plus the whole roadbuilding thing...)...I could go on but I think you get the picture....

To misquote Crash Gordon himself, I think the UK is spectacularily badly placed to &#039;weather the first skills crisis of the post-oil age&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come away with two distinctly different thoughts from this list (and the expanded list from Risa B),</p>
<p>On the positive side, that for anyone looking to reskill themselves now for our inevitably altered and more challenging future, the list is surprisingly long and big on choice. Somewhere in the back of my mind I&#8217;d been assuming that any kind of reskilling for a post-oil, relocalized world would involve mundanity and being forced to follow a specific line of work against one&#8217;s wishes. Looking at the list in print I realise it&#8217;s almost the opposite case. When we can no longer import products cheaply made in distant factories by exploited workers using exploited materials, the onus switches to being able to manufacture and service equivalents locally, creating opportunities for skills and careers that wouldn&#8217;t currently be viable in our economy.</p>
<p>Which leads me on to the negative side, looking at the list also makes me realise that in the real world I know very few people with a skill or career mentioned on the list. I can only speak for the UK here, but you could argue that in recent years the government has done everything possible (consciously or unconsciously, you choose&#8230;) to eradicate these kind of careers. When you take this into account, you realise it&#8217;s going to be an uphill struggle to reskill the thousands upon thousands of call centre workers, the entire state-employed management tier of bureaucratic non-job workers, carphone warehouse salespeople, bank staff, beauty therapists, 99% of all IT workers, 99% of shopping mall retail workers, 99% of the drinks/entertainment industry (bouncers, bar staff, DJs), music/film/tv industry, pharmaceutical industry, arms industry, car industry, the CCTV manufacture and operation services, airline industry, the construction industry (those involved in concrete box Barrat urban sprawl new town abominations, plus the whole roadbuilding thing&#8230;)&#8230;I could go on but I think you get the picture&#8230;.</p>
<p>To misquote Crash Gordon himself, I think the UK is spectacularily badly placed to &#8216;weather the first skills crisis of the post-oil age&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this thread.  In Portland, where I live, we already have cheerful humanure-composting specialists.  They refer to non humanurers as feces-phobic.  The trick is to compost above ground with sufficient duff.  Our  most prominent practitioner uses wood chips, which dessicate.  In Britain, it may be unlikely your sewers will break, but if they do, it is good to have people who know how to make sure the chemicals plants need do not go in your rivers or to underground water sources.  Those who are interested can probably go to KBOO, our local subscriber-owned radio station, and search Ole Ersson, who is an M.D. by trade, for a talk on the subject.  Ole uses a thermometer to make sure he has the proper temperature, 150 to 160.  For 15 years, he heated water for five this way.  As for health practitioners, I would rather see a naturpath than a pusher of side-effects piled on side effects.  I trust an M.D. like Ole, though.  He would not prescribe that way.  I imagine we will have choices between natural and industrial medicine for some time.  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this thread.  In Portland, where I live, we already have cheerful humanure-composting specialists.  They refer to non humanurers as feces-phobic.  The trick is to compost above ground with sufficient duff.  Our  most prominent practitioner uses wood chips, which dessicate.  In Britain, it may be unlikely your sewers will break, but if they do, it is good to have people who know how to make sure the chemicals plants need do not go in your rivers or to underground water sources.  Those who are interested can probably go to KBOO, our local subscriber-owned radio station, and search Ole Ersson, who is an M.D. by trade, for a talk on the subject.  Ole uses a thermometer to make sure he has the proper temperature, 150 to 160.  For 15 years, he heated water for five this way.  As for health practitioners, I would rather see a naturpath than a pusher of side-effects piled on side effects.  I trust an M.D. like Ole, though.  He would not prescribe that way.  I imagine we will have choices between natural and industrial medicine for some time.  Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2009/01/22/the-200-artisan-skills-required-to-make-a-victorian-town-functional/comment-page-1/#comment-61219</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firkin good job...

Britain&#039;s last Master Cooper (barrel maker) is looking for an apprentice if anyone wants to bite the bullet.

Alastair Simms &quot;fashions superb wooden casks from his workshop at Wadworth Brewery in Devizes&quot;.

Apparently - according to the Bristol Evening Post - in the first half of the 20th century there were about 600 traditional-style coopers at work in Britain&#039;s brewery industry, bending and hammering out sturdy oak barrels for countless pints, but timber shortages and the advent of modern metal casks have all but consigned to the 21st century scrapheap a craft that dates back to the times of the Romans.

&quot;I don&#039;t really know why I&#039;m the only one left. It&#039;s one of those trades that has slowly died out over the years. Today&#039;s beer barrels are made from stainless steel or aluminum. But for me, casks made from English oak are far better. In a wooden cask the temperature of the beer remains the same once it&#039;s on the dray (the delivery wagon).

&quot;But the temperature of beer in a metal cask changes after a couple of hours. We are the only commercial cooperage in the country now.&quot;

Fancy it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firkin good job&#8230;</p>
<p>Britain&#8217;s last Master Cooper (barrel maker) is looking for an apprentice if anyone wants to bite the bullet.</p>
<p>Alastair Simms &#8220;fashions superb wooden casks from his workshop at Wadworth Brewery in Devizes&#8221;.</p>
<p>Apparently &#8211; according to the Bristol Evening Post &#8211; in the first half of the 20th century there were about 600 traditional-style coopers at work in Britain&#8217;s brewery industry, bending and hammering out sturdy oak barrels for countless pints, but timber shortages and the advent of modern metal casks have all but consigned to the 21st century scrapheap a craft that dates back to the times of the Romans.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t really know why I&#8217;m the only one left. It&#8217;s one of those trades that has slowly died out over the years. Today&#8217;s beer barrels are made from stainless steel or aluminum. But for me, casks made from English oak are far better. In a wooden cask the temperature of the beer remains the same once it&#8217;s on the dray (the delivery wagon).</p>
<p>&#8220;But the temperature of beer in a metal cask changes after a couple of hours. We are the only commercial cooperage in the country now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fancy it?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t see grave digger, coffin maker, funeral arranger.

It is my understanding that most of the improvement in infant survival is due to sanitation - sewage planner and health inspector.

Keep your drinking well at least 100 feet from sewage/manure/refuse/night soil, and you dramatically reduce incidence of cholera.

Oxen trainer, shaman, parchment maker, goatherd, goose girl, cowherd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see grave digger, coffin maker, funeral arranger.</p>
<p>It is my understanding that most of the improvement in infant survival is due to sanitation &#8211; sewage planner and health inspector.</p>
<p>Keep your drinking well at least 100 feet from sewage/manure/refuse/night soil, and you dramatically reduce incidence of cholera.</p>
<p>Oxen trainer, shaman, parchment maker, goatherd, goose girl, cowherd.</p>
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		<title>By: risa b</title>
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		<dc:creator>risa b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expanded:

Things to do after Rome burns

Coppicer, hurdle maker, rake maker, fork maker, besom maker, handle maker, hoop maker, ladder maker, crib maker, broaches and peg maker, clog sole cutters, bodgers, charcoal burners, oak basket maker, trug maker, stick and staff maker, field gate maker, willow basket maker, net maker, stone mason, joiner, roofer, floor layer, waller, carter, thatcher, slater, lime burner, paint maker, glass blower, glassmaker, wagoneer, coach driver, glazier, stained glass artist, brickmaker, tile maker, bricklayer, tiler, chimney sweep, cartographer, plumber, decorator, bridge builder, French polisher, sign writer, hedge layer, dry stone waller, woodcarver, woodcutter, cosmetologist, missionary, hunter, stile maker, well digger, peat cutter, gardener, horticulturist, vintner, arborist, tree surgeon, miner, forester, farmer, ranger, con artist, stevedore, pickpocket, warden, naval architect, shipbuilder, sailor, waiter, vaudevillian, boatwright, harbourmaster, lock tender, toll collector, confectioner, chemist, druggist, ratcatcher, trapper, poacher, highwayman, sheriff, deputy, community organizer, legislator, woollen manufacturer, nightwatchman, militiaman, tax collector, soldier, adventurer, constable, stable hand, assassin, pirate, shepherd, shearer, bee keeper, miller, witch, wholesaler, fisherman, wool broker, orchardist, tutor, veterinarian, chair maker, iron founder, blacksmith, wheelwright, cooper, coppersmith, millwright, horse breeder, horse trainer, teamster, harness maker, housewife, magistrate, tinsmith, monk, nun, priest, minister wood turner, coach builder, boat builder, sail maker, oar maker, rope maker, wainwright, block maker, leather tanner, glover, saddler, horse collar maker, boot and shoemaker, cobbler, clog maker, knife maker, cutter, housekeeper, butler, tallowmaker, millstone dresser, potter, printer, typographer, calligrapher, bookbinder, paper maker, moneylender, furniture maker, jeweller, mechanic, boiler maker, engineer, boilerman, soap maker, gunsmith, ironmonger, sword smith, brush maker, chandler, artist, sculptor, horse breaker, horse trader, ship chandler, goatherd, cowherd, canner, dentist, diver, harbour pilot, outrider, denture maker, firework maker, cycle builder, bone carver, dancer, musical instrument maker, clay pipe maker, fitter and turner, tool maker, jeweler, gem cutter, goldsmith, spinner, weaver, dyer, silk grower, tailor, seamstress, milliner, fortune teller, salter, hatter, lace maker, engraver, button maker, machinist, mat and rug maker, crochet worker, tatting and macramé worker, knitter, quilter, smock worker, mail carrier, embroiderer, ditch digger, rabbiter, leather worker, day laborourer, felt maker, fish smoker, charwoman, launderess, jailer, roper, storekeeper, stocker, stock clerk, vendor, bacon curer, butter maker, cheese maker, brewer, cider maker, seedsman, naturalist, hatter, optometrist, ophthalmologist, lighthouse keeper, surveyor, rower, drummer, market gardener, wine maker, distiller, herbalist, oyster farmer, fish farmer, ice cream maker, butcher, café owner, fishmonger, pie maker, cook, scullery maid, farm hand, handyman, boarding house operator, grocer, landlord, tinker, pickle maker, baker, mental health practitioner, paintmaker, painter, hotelier, judge, lawyer, coffee roaster, doctor, nurse, storyteller, puppeteer, puppet maker, binderyman, teacher, naturalist, historian, jester, actor, archivist, historian, ink and dye maker, editor, illustrator, administrator, poet, writer, midwife, barkeep, innkeeper, bookseller, librarian, musician, singer, village idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expanded:</p>
<p>Things to do after Rome burns</p>
<p>Coppicer, hurdle maker, rake maker, fork maker, besom maker, handle maker, hoop maker, ladder maker, crib maker, broaches and peg maker, clog sole cutters, bodgers, charcoal burners, oak basket maker, trug maker, stick and staff maker, field gate maker, willow basket maker, net maker, stone mason, joiner, roofer, floor layer, waller, carter, thatcher, slater, lime burner, paint maker, glass blower, glassmaker, wagoneer, coach driver, glazier, stained glass artist, brickmaker, tile maker, bricklayer, tiler, chimney sweep, cartographer, plumber, decorator, bridge builder, French polisher, sign writer, hedge layer, dry stone waller, woodcarver, woodcutter, cosmetologist, missionary, hunter, stile maker, well digger, peat cutter, gardener, horticulturist, vintner, arborist, tree surgeon, miner, forester, farmer, ranger, con artist, stevedore, pickpocket, warden, naval architect, shipbuilder, sailor, waiter, vaudevillian, boatwright, harbourmaster, lock tender, toll collector, confectioner, chemist, druggist, ratcatcher, trapper, poacher, highwayman, sheriff, deputy, community organizer, legislator, woollen manufacturer, nightwatchman, militiaman, tax collector, soldier, adventurer, constable, stable hand, assassin, pirate, shepherd, shearer, bee keeper, miller, witch, wholesaler, fisherman, wool broker, orchardist, tutor, veterinarian, chair maker, iron founder, blacksmith, wheelwright, cooper, coppersmith, millwright, horse breeder, horse trainer, teamster, harness maker, housewife, magistrate, tinsmith, monk, nun, priest, minister wood turner, coach builder, boat builder, sail maker, oar maker, rope maker, wainwright, block maker, leather tanner, glover, saddler, horse collar maker, boot and shoemaker, cobbler, clog maker, knife maker, cutter, housekeeper, butler, tallowmaker, millstone dresser, potter, printer, typographer, calligrapher, bookbinder, paper maker, moneylender, furniture maker, jeweller, mechanic, boiler maker, engineer, boilerman, soap maker, gunsmith, ironmonger, sword smith, brush maker, chandler, artist, sculptor, horse breaker, horse trader, ship chandler, goatherd, cowherd, canner, dentist, diver, harbour pilot, outrider, denture maker, firework maker, cycle builder, bone carver, dancer, musical instrument maker, clay pipe maker, fitter and turner, tool maker, jeweler, gem cutter, goldsmith, spinner, weaver, dyer, silk grower, tailor, seamstress, milliner, fortune teller, salter, hatter, lace maker, engraver, button maker, machinist, mat and rug maker, crochet worker, tatting and macramé worker, knitter, quilter, smock worker, mail carrier, embroiderer, ditch digger, rabbiter, leather worker, day laborourer, felt maker, fish smoker, charwoman, launderess, jailer, roper, storekeeper, stocker, stock clerk, vendor, bacon curer, butter maker, cheese maker, brewer, cider maker, seedsman, naturalist, hatter, optometrist, ophthalmologist, lighthouse keeper, surveyor, rower, drummer, market gardener, wine maker, distiller, herbalist, oyster farmer, fish farmer, ice cream maker, butcher, café owner, fishmonger, pie maker, cook, scullery maid, farm hand, handyman, boarding house operator, grocer, landlord, tinker, pickle maker, baker, mental health practitioner, paintmaker, painter, hotelier, judge, lawyer, coffee roaster, doctor, nurse, storyteller, puppeteer, puppet maker, binderyman, teacher, naturalist, historian, jester, actor, archivist, historian, ink and dye maker, editor, illustrator, administrator, poet, writer, midwife, barkeep, innkeeper, bookseller, librarian, musician, singer, village idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Hughes</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2009/01/22/the-200-artisan-skills-required-to-make-a-victorian-town-functional/comment-page-1/#comment-61213</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one Jennifer, I&#039;m with you all the way!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one Jennifer, I&#8217;m with you all the way!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dann</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2009/01/22/the-200-artisan-skills-required-to-make-a-victorian-town-functional/comment-page-1/#comment-61198</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Dann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely to see all these comments!
Bodging was indeed the craft of roughly turning greenwood on site into furniture parts for finishing in workshops.  There are certainly still a few people in England who make most of their living by green wood work.  (They worked on the new Globe Theatre in London, for instance). Organisations such as Small Woods Association/Green Wood Centre and such as Devon Rural Skills Trust keep it alive. I myself have a (little used) pole lathe for green wood work. Woodland management is certainly a big issue in England.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely to see all these comments!<br />
Bodging was indeed the craft of roughly turning greenwood on site into furniture parts for finishing in workshops.  There are certainly still a few people in England who make most of their living by green wood work.  (They worked on the new Globe Theatre in London, for instance). Organisations such as Small Woods Association/Green Wood Centre and such as Devon Rural Skills Trust keep it alive. I myself have a (little used) pole lathe for green wood work. Woodland management is certainly a big issue in England.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2009/01/22/the-200-artisan-skills-required-to-make-a-victorian-town-functional/comment-page-1/#comment-61195</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I agree with you, Shane. I only meant that for me it is a kind of resilience I am trying to cultivate in myself, that when I&#039;m out of doors hiking, cycling or gardening, not to be dependent on an inside toilet. I have also learned to keep clean with half a bike bottle&#039;s worth of water. That doesn&#039;t mean I wish to live that way all the time, if it could be avoided; only for me, Valley Girl that I am from my childhood in California, I&#039;ve come some way towards greater personal resilience. I&#039;m in my 50s now, and I still sleep happily on the floor when needed. I realise there are millions of people on the planet who spend their lives sleeping on the floor, just as there are billions who are vegetarian and not dependent on the whole meat economy. It&#039;s the principle of learning simplicity as a means of preparing ourselves that I am aiming at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I agree with you, Shane. I only meant that for me it is a kind of resilience I am trying to cultivate in myself, that when I&#8217;m out of doors hiking, cycling or gardening, not to be dependent on an inside toilet. I have also learned to keep clean with half a bike bottle&#8217;s worth of water. That doesn&#8217;t mean I wish to live that way all the time, if it could be avoided; only for me, Valley Girl that I am from my childhood in California, I&#8217;ve come some way towards greater personal resilience. I&#8217;m in my 50s now, and I still sleep happily on the floor when needed. I realise there are millions of people on the planet who spend their lives sleeping on the floor, just as there are billions who are vegetarian and not dependent on the whole meat economy. It&#8217;s the principle of learning simplicity as a means of preparing ourselves that I am aiming at.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heaven help us: &quot;homeopath, reflexologist, osteopath, naturopath&quot;. Those are the very *last* people we&#039;d want in our glorious low-carbon future. You might as well add witch doctor and alchemist to that list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heaven help us: &#8220;homeopath, reflexologist, osteopath, naturopath&#8221;. Those are the very *last* people we&#8217;d want in our glorious low-carbon future. You might as well add witch doctor and alchemist to that list.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Hughes</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2009/01/22/the-200-artisan-skills-required-to-make-a-victorian-town-functional/comment-page-1/#comment-61190</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer, 
i take no issue with leaves for toilet role and have had the pleasure on occasion but it highlights the type of &quot;regression&quot; that some think we&#039;re spouting. 
This tension between past and future needs to be reconsiled with a mix of traditional and modern (appropriate)  processes, crafts and technologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer,<br />
i take no issue with leaves for toilet role and have had the pleasure on occasion but it highlights the type of &#8220;regression&#8221; that some think we&#8217;re spouting.<br />
This tension between past and future needs to be reconsiled with a mix of traditional and modern (appropriate)  processes, crafts and technologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda S</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2009/01/22/the-200-artisan-skills-required-to-make-a-victorian-town-functional/comment-page-1/#comment-61181</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to the list -- we will need people with the ability to scrounge metal from junkyards and dumps and remake it into newly useful items -- a cross between a blacksmith and inventor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to the list &#8212; we will need people with the ability to scrounge metal from junkyards and dumps and remake it into newly useful items &#8212; a cross between a blacksmith and inventor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2009/01/22/the-200-artisan-skills-required-to-make-a-victorian-town-functional/comment-page-1/#comment-61168</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could learn a great deal from how the Amish live--not only their skills, but their steady, self-disciplined lifestyle and work ethic, coupled with community celebration and mutual support.

Re toilet paper, here in the UK, and also cycling in France, there&#039;s ample plant material usually available when wild camping or cycling--dandylion or dock leaves, sphagnum moss up on the moors, or even snow! I&#039;ve also found sheeps wool caught on gorse bushes useful.  I guess in my native California you would need to watch out for poison ivy, but surely there&#039;s knowledge of what native peoples/early settlers/ancient peoples on the land used?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could learn a great deal from how the Amish live&#8211;not only their skills, but their steady, self-disciplined lifestyle and work ethic, coupled with community celebration and mutual support.</p>
<p>Re toilet paper, here in the UK, and also cycling in France, there&#8217;s ample plant material usually available when wild camping or cycling&#8211;dandylion or dock leaves, sphagnum moss up on the moors, or even snow! I&#8217;ve also found sheeps wool caught on gorse bushes useful.  I guess in my native California you would need to watch out for poison ivy, but surely there&#8217;s knowledge of what native peoples/early settlers/ancient peoples on the land used?</p>
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