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	<title>Comments on: One Last Thing&#8230; Transition Training Tour: Blog Post 2</title>
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	<description>An Evolving Exploration into the Head, Heart and Hands of Energy Descent</description>
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		<title>By: janaki</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/12/20/transition-training-tour-blog-post-2/comment-page-1/#comment-60895</link>
		<dc:creator>janaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  How hard would it be to become a non profit and try to raise the funds?
I did not know that it is middle class white people that are the standard transitioners.... hmm.  Maybe that is were your money is at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  How hard would it be to become a non profit and try to raise the funds?<br />
I did not know that it is middle class white people that are the standard transitioners&#8230;. hmm.  Maybe that is were your money is at?</p>
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		<title>By: Zev Paiss</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/12/20/transition-training-tour-blog-post-2/comment-page-1/#comment-60882</link>
		<dc:creator>Zev Paiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been involved in &quot;alternative&quot; activities for the past 30 years, I strongly agree that for Transition to be as successful as we all feel it needs to be, will require financial support. This will allow people to commit their time and skills to this process. I strongly suggest we all think about who will be the leaders in the emerging green economy and approach them for support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been involved in &#8220;alternative&#8221; activities for the past 30 years, I strongly agree that for Transition to be as successful as we all feel it needs to be, will require financial support. This will allow people to commit their time and skills to this process. I strongly suggest we all think about who will be the leaders in the emerging green economy and approach them for support.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/12/20/transition-training-tour-blog-post-2/comment-page-1/#comment-60880</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Finn and Manoel for raising this issue which I ignored my attempt to defend city people. The money issue if vital &amp; it is important to confront this squarely. Trying to make transition happen without considering the financial realities is hopeless. It is also quite likely to burn out transition activists as they struggle to make bring the vision into reality. Money is a tool, money is energy, money means we can set priorities - and without any money we are very fragile.

If we had £100m we could do an awful lot of excellent projects. The idea that we should not want money to make the transition vision happen is just a little bonkers. People are bankrupting themselves to try and this off the ground - from my experience this is a common state for environmental activists. Doing this work just does not pay the bills (especially in places with poverty issues). To pretend that we do not need money is hopelessly naive. We need to build capacity to look after the people who are making transition happen, and to do this we need to take money into account. 

Manoel is also right regarding the need for media to spread transition. But perhaps even more important in getting the transition concepts to other audiences on a grassroots level. By other audiences I mean others aside from the middle class white people who are the standard transitioners. 

We need to start thinking much more seriously about the financial realities of how we are going to make the transition happen. I for one, would like to say that if anyone wants to give the Transition Network £100m, please ignore Naresh. Allow transitioners with some financial acumen make practical plans on how to turn this transition concept into a reality. The troops in the fields need to be fed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Finn and Manoel for raising this issue which I ignored my attempt to defend city people. The money issue if vital &amp; it is important to confront this squarely. Trying to make transition happen without considering the financial realities is hopeless. It is also quite likely to burn out transition activists as they struggle to make bring the vision into reality. Money is a tool, money is energy, money means we can set priorities &#8211; and without any money we are very fragile.</p>
<p>If we had £100m we could do an awful lot of excellent projects. The idea that we should not want money to make the transition vision happen is just a little bonkers. People are bankrupting themselves to try and this off the ground &#8211; from my experience this is a common state for environmental activists. Doing this work just does not pay the bills (especially in places with poverty issues). To pretend that we do not need money is hopelessly naive. We need to build capacity to look after the people who are making transition happen, and to do this we need to take money into account. </p>
<p>Manoel is also right regarding the need for media to spread transition. But perhaps even more important in getting the transition concepts to other audiences on a grassroots level. By other audiences I mean others aside from the middle class white people who are the standard transitioners. </p>
<p>We need to start thinking much more seriously about the financial realities of how we are going to make the transition happen. I for one, would like to say that if anyone wants to give the Transition Network £100m, please ignore Naresh. Allow transitioners with some financial acumen make practical plans on how to turn this transition concept into a reality. The troops in the fields need to be fed!</p>
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		<title>By: Manoel</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/12/20/transition-training-tour-blog-post-2/comment-page-1/#comment-60879</link>
		<dc:creator>Manoel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Finn that a lot of impulse could be given to Transition Movement with money. Money is just a tool, and the point is how you use it. Besides Finn&#039;s ideas I&#039;d like to mention *media*

Nowadays society is a media-controled society. And with money you can enter the mass media to spread the Transition (healthy) virus. And when I say &quot;media&quot; I think about the Internet as well. A lot of viral marketing could be done with money, believe me... Money gives time to people and is useful to buy time of their media attention, also.

Though I chose to be ruled by nature&#039;s seasons and timings, rather than Modern Society ones, and they said to my Celtic Galician ancestors that the New Year started on Hallowe&#039;en (Samhain)... Happy Transitional New Year! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Finn that a lot of impulse could be given to Transition Movement with money. Money is just a tool, and the point is how you use it. Besides Finn&#8217;s ideas I&#8217;d like to mention *media*</p>
<p>Nowadays society is a media-controled society. And with money you can enter the mass media to spread the Transition (healthy) virus. And when I say &#8220;media&#8221; I think about the Internet as well. A lot of viral marketing could be done with money, believe me&#8230; Money gives time to people and is useful to buy time of their media attention, also.</p>
<p>Though I chose to be ruled by nature&#8217;s seasons and timings, rather than Modern Society ones, and they said to my Celtic Galician ancestors that the New Year started on Hallowe&#8217;en (Samhain)&#8230; Happy Transitional New Year! <img src='http://transitionculture.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Finn Jackson (Farnham, UK)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finn Jackson (Farnham, UK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Naresh, 

Thanks for this update. I particularly liked your quote &quot;Low energy houses have a special quality, they are so comfortable and have a connection to life that ordinary houses don’t have.&quot; I kind of know what you mean, and I wonder why it is... Probably it is about a number of different things...

But I was less sure about the answer you gave to your favourite question, &quot;What would Transition do with $100m?&quot; I don&#039;t understand why we wouldn&#039;t want it. 

Ok, I kind of understand what I think you mean -- that Transition is about people becoming resilient and that is about choosing to do it for ourselves. So being given a pile of cash just wouldn&#039;t work because once the cash has run out then nothing else has changed. 

But surely if Transition had $100m then there are ways we could use it to accelerate the changes that we seek? So that more people decide to become resilient sooner, and it takes less time to reach the point where everyone is living in a low energy house? 

I realise that if we tried to pay for house insulation, or solar panels, or land to grow food then $100m wouldn&#039;t go very far. We still need to do all those things for ourselves, matching local needs and circumstances.

But couldn&#039;t we use the $100m to pay for twenty more Nareshes and Sophys to travel the world delivering transition training? That would help more people decide to change faster. Or we could extend the training to cover more of the new skills we are all going to need. And we could get better and faster at sharing and developing the best practices that independent Transition Groups are already developing around the world.

We could even use some of the money to help set up new businesses that make and sell the new &quot;powerdown technologies&quot; we are all going to need in the future -- things like &#039;hand grain mills&#039; for example -- which the existing system has no interest in developing.

There are probably other things we could do as well, and I just don&#039;t understand why we wouldn&#039;t want to do them.

Best regards, and Happy New Year in the snow!
Finn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Naresh, </p>
<p>Thanks for this update. I particularly liked your quote &#8220;Low energy houses have a special quality, they are so comfortable and have a connection to life that ordinary houses don’t have.&#8221; I kind of know what you mean, and I wonder why it is&#8230; Probably it is about a number of different things&#8230;</p>
<p>But I was less sure about the answer you gave to your favourite question, &#8220;What would Transition do with $100m?&#8221; I don&#8217;t understand why we wouldn&#8217;t want it. </p>
<p>Ok, I kind of understand what I think you mean &#8212; that Transition is about people becoming resilient and that is about choosing to do it for ourselves. So being given a pile of cash just wouldn&#8217;t work because once the cash has run out then nothing else has changed. </p>
<p>But surely if Transition had $100m then there are ways we could use it to accelerate the changes that we seek? So that more people decide to become resilient sooner, and it takes less time to reach the point where everyone is living in a low energy house? </p>
<p>I realise that if we tried to pay for house insulation, or solar panels, or land to grow food then $100m wouldn&#8217;t go very far. We still need to do all those things for ourselves, matching local needs and circumstances.</p>
<p>But couldn&#8217;t we use the $100m to pay for twenty more Nareshes and Sophys to travel the world delivering transition training? That would help more people decide to change faster. Or we could extend the training to cover more of the new skills we are all going to need. And we could get better and faster at sharing and developing the best practices that independent Transition Groups are already developing around the world.</p>
<p>We could even use some of the money to help set up new businesses that make and sell the new &#8220;powerdown technologies&#8221; we are all going to need in the future &#8212; things like &#8216;hand grain mills&#8217; for example &#8212; which the existing system has no interest in developing.</p>
<p>There are probably other things we could do as well, and I just don&#8217;t understand why we wouldn&#8217;t want to do them.</p>
<p>Best regards, and Happy New Year in the snow!<br />
Finn</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little unkind to NYC - not everyone in this town is a materialistic pig! Certainly there are many who have serious problems with &#039;the system&#039;! 
Perhaps the relevant people out of 8-9 million New Yorkers  did not know about the transition meeting? Perhaps you did not managed to make contact with the networks that would support Transition in this town. Please lets stops this prejudice against city folk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little unkind to NYC &#8211; not everyone in this town is a materialistic pig! Certainly there are many who have serious problems with &#8216;the system&#8217;!<br />
Perhaps the relevant people out of 8-9 million New Yorkers  did not know about the transition meeting? Perhaps you did not managed to make contact with the networks that would support Transition in this town. Please lets stops this prejudice against city folk!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (Stroud, UK)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike (Stroud, UK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naresh,
Happy Christmas to you and to all our &#039;cousins&#039; over there. Sounds like you&#039;re doing a great job.
 I&#039;m interested to hear more about the links/partnerships with local government / local councils and to see what we might usefully take on board in the UK.
Peace and goodwill
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naresh,<br />
Happy Christmas to you and to all our &#8216;cousins&#8217; over there. Sounds like you&#8217;re doing a great job.<br />
 I&#8217;m interested to hear more about the links/partnerships with local government / local councils and to see what we might usefully take on board in the UK.<br />
Peace and goodwill<br />
Mike</p>
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