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	<title>Comments on: Albert Bates on peak oil, relocalisation and why the hippys were right all along</title>
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	<description>An Evolving Exploration into the Head, Heart and Hands of Energy Descent</description>
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		<title>By: Jan Steinman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Steinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Like Clifford, we&#039;re starting a &quot;lifeboat community.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unlike Clifford, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.EcoReality.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;we aren&#039;t hiding.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Clifford, we&#8217;re starting a &#8220;lifeboat community.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unlike Clifford, <a href="http://www.EcoReality.org" rel="nofollow">we aren&#8217;t hiding.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Finn Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finn Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for posting this in full.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The audio was a little difficult to hear at times, but the talk, for me, gave a wonderful sense of how new ways of living can be built over time. (People at &#039;The Farm&#039; have gone from living in school buses to having a business that sells technology that can detect nuclear materials crossing a border and automatically assign a satellite to track the particular truck/lorry... and all solar powered!)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There was also a sense not so much of &#039;lessons learned&#039; but rather &#039;here are the things we have come to realise that it is important to focus on&#039; which will be especially useful.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thank you. And hurrah for the 21st Century cutting edge technology that is Transition Culture :o)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this in full.</p>
<p>The audio was a little difficult to hear at times, but the talk, for me, gave a wonderful sense of how new ways of living can be built over time. (People at &#8216;The Farm&#8217; have gone from living in school buses to having a business that sells technology that can detect nuclear materials crossing a border and automatically assign a satellite to track the particular truck/lorry&#8230; and all solar powered!)</p>
<p>There was also a sense not so much of &#8216;lessons learned&#8217; but rather &#8216;here are the things we have come to realise that it is important to focus on&#8217; which will be especially useful.</p>
<p>Thank you. And hurrah for the 21st Century cutting edge technology that is Transition Culture <img src='http://transitionculture.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford J. Wirth, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford J. Wirth, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The hippies who said that economic growth is unsustainable and counter-productive were right.  But here is what they need to know now about the future.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Due to declining oil production, we are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel trucks for maintenance of bridges, cleaning culverts to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables, all from far away. With the highways out, there will be no food coming in from &quot;outside,&quot; and without the power grid virtually nothing works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated systems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;After the last power black out, the people living in rural areas will find that surviving will become increasing difficult without all of the goods from the “outside” (food, canning jars, fencing, roofing, hay, straw, seed, animal feed, plastic tarps, fertilizer, clothes, fabric, medicine, hardware, saws, wood stoves, etc.). The survivors will be the very few who live in areas with good rain and soil and who prepared intelligently for a life without oil.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is documented in a free 48 page report that can be downloaded, website posted, distributed, and emailed: http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I used to live in the northern USA, but moved to a sustainable place. Anyone interested in relocating to a nice, pretty, sustainable area with a good climate and good soil? Email: clifford dot wirth at yahoo dot com or give me a phone call which operates here as my old USA-NH number 603-668-4207. http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hippies who said that economic growth is unsustainable and counter-productive were right.  But here is what they need to know now about the future.</p>
<p>Due to declining oil production, we are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel trucks for maintenance of bridges, cleaning culverts to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables, all from far away. With the highways out, there will be no food coming in from &#8220;outside,&#8221; and without the power grid virtually nothing works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated systems.</p>
<p>Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment.</p>
<p>After the last power black out, the people living in rural areas will find that surviving will become increasing difficult without all of the goods from the “outside” (food, canning jars, fencing, roofing, hay, straw, seed, animal feed, plastic tarps, fertilizer, clothes, fabric, medicine, hardware, saws, wood stoves, etc.). The survivors will be the very few who live in areas with good rain and soil and who prepared intelligently for a life without oil.</p>
<p>This is documented in a free 48 page report that can be downloaded, website posted, distributed, and emailed: <a href="http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html</a></p>
<p>I used to live in the northern USA, but moved to a sustainable place. Anyone interested in relocating to a nice, pretty, sustainable area with a good climate and good soil? Email: clifford dot wirth at yahoo dot com or give me a phone call which operates here as my old USA-NH number 603-668-4207. <a href="http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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