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		<title>By: Andrew Curry</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/07/25/peak-football-and-waving-goodbye-to-ronaldo/comment-page-1/#comment-58538</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Michel Platini, the great French midfielder who now runs UEFA, seems to be ahead of the rest of the football world in thinking about the impact of financial management on the balance and structure of the game. He&#039;s been making noises about how clubs with huge debt (in Chelsea&#039;s case underwritten by a billionaire who&#039;s largely indifferent to getting a reasonable return on the money) have an advantage in the short-term over clubs without it. He&#039;s also talked about imposing a maximum wages-to-turnover ratio to encourage more sensible financial policies.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michel Platini, the great French midfielder who now runs UEFA, seems to be ahead of the rest of the football world in thinking about the impact of financial management on the balance and structure of the game. He&#8217;s been making noises about how clubs with huge debt (in Chelsea&#8217;s case underwritten by a billionaire who&#8217;s largely indifferent to getting a reasonable return on the money) have an advantage in the short-term over clubs without it. He&#8217;s also talked about imposing a maximum wages-to-turnover ratio to encourage more sensible financial policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Chamberlin</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/07/25/peak-football-and-waving-goodbye-to-ronaldo/comment-page-1/#comment-58504</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A taste of the future?  From http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7528298.stm&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;The South American Cup competition came hurriedly to life in 2002. In the depths of the continent’s economic depression the tournament which had previously occupied the second half of the year lost its sponsorship and folded. The South American Cup began as a quick mend and make do replacement.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The format, then, is home and away knockout right from the start. And in the first rounds the dominant principle is the need to keep travel costs down; the Brazilians play amongst themselves, as do the Argentines.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All the others face teams from a neighbouring country. For example, of Paraguay’s two representatives, one travels north to meet a team from Bolivia, the other goes south to Uruguay, and so on.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A taste of the future?  From <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7528298.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7528298.stm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The South American Cup competition came hurriedly to life in 2002. In the depths of the continent’s economic depression the tournament which had previously occupied the second half of the year lost its sponsorship and folded. The South American Cup began as a quick mend and make do replacement.</p>
<p>The format, then, is home and away knockout right from the start. And in the first rounds the dominant principle is the need to keep travel costs down; the Brazilians play amongst themselves, as do the Argentines.</p>
<p>All the others face teams from a neighbouring country. For example, of Paraguay’s two representatives, one travels north to meet a team from Bolivia, the other goes south to Uruguay, and so on.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: chris - TT exmouth</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/07/25/peak-football-and-waving-goodbye-to-ronaldo/comment-page-1/#comment-58485</link>
		<dc:creator>chris - TT exmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I very much like the idea of football as an analogy for the current crises that we face. just like in all traditions, there is a tendency to look at football and talk about the good old days when players played for the love of the game, the club, and it&#039;s fans. I had the fortune (or not) of growing up in oxford and supporting united for many years. we had always been a small club but in the 1980&#039;s Robert Maxwell became our chairman and ploughed millions into the club. In 1986 we won the Milk Cup (coca-cola cup), but since then we have been in free-fall and now find ourselves stuck in the football conference.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;living beyond our means bought us great riches and accolades for a few years, and when i think about Hubberts chart of fossil fuel use over a timespan of 10,000 years it is very similar. Oxford Utd are now having to loan players from higher leagues, and sign players from lower leagues in the hope of escaping the Blue Square Premier.... we have faced bankruptcy, humiliation and despair for our fans! Was it worth it? For the sake of a few thousand to see our triumph at wembley in &#039;86, thousands upon thousands have had to put up with our demise for over 20 years!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And now the current management must pick up the pieces, clean up the mess, just as i feel i must in Exmouth. The spirit has gone out of football.. it&#039;s all tactics and money... and much the same can be said of local council and community. But i do feel that it is changing, the very reason these &#039;games&#039; were invented in the first place was to encourage community involvement, a way to spend your time constructively, doing a good deed for your home-town. These are the fundementals of a transition movement, and these are the activities that create a genuine sense of pleasure and &#039;being&#039; that we all need.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much like the idea of football as an analogy for the current crises that we face. just like in all traditions, there is a tendency to look at football and talk about the good old days when players played for the love of the game, the club, and it&#8217;s fans. I had the fortune (or not) of growing up in oxford and supporting united for many years. we had always been a small club but in the 1980&#8242;s Robert Maxwell became our chairman and ploughed millions into the club. In 1986 we won the Milk Cup (coca-cola cup), but since then we have been in free-fall and now find ourselves stuck in the football conference.</p>
<p>living beyond our means bought us great riches and accolades for a few years, and when i think about Hubberts chart of fossil fuel use over a timespan of 10,000 years it is very similar. Oxford Utd are now having to loan players from higher leagues, and sign players from lower leagues in the hope of escaping the Blue Square Premier&#8230;. we have faced bankruptcy, humiliation and despair for our fans! Was it worth it? For the sake of a few thousand to see our triumph at wembley in &#8217;86, thousands upon thousands have had to put up with our demise for over 20 years!</p>
<p>And now the current management must pick up the pieces, clean up the mess, just as i feel i must in Exmouth. The spirit has gone out of football.. it&#8217;s all tactics and money&#8230; and much the same can be said of local council and community. But i do feel that it is changing, the very reason these &#8216;games&#8217; were invented in the first place was to encourage community involvement, a way to spend your time constructively, doing a good deed for your home-town. These are the fundementals of a transition movement, and these are the activities that create a genuine sense of pleasure and &#8216;being&#8217; that we all need.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom A</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/07/25/peak-football-and-waving-goodbye-to-ronaldo/comment-page-1/#comment-58482</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oops meant to link to an image above - it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.greatchange.org/images/ov-campbell,outlook,AllHydrocarbons.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops meant to link to an image above &#8211; it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.greatchange.org/images/ov-campbell,outlook,AllHydrocarbons.gif" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom A</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/07/25/peak-football-and-waving-goodbye-to-ronaldo/comment-page-1/#comment-58481</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jul/26/manchesterunited.premierleague&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;they&#039;re paying £32m for Tevez&lt;/a&gt; though!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That video of Ronaldo shows lots of step-overs and free kicks... and not a lot else... still not convinced of his long term team qualities. (Sounds like a debate for a pint and the pub!)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With regard to football scaling down and becoming local, I think it is highly unlikely. There is still an awful lot of fossil energy left to play with - look at the area under Colin&#039;s graph to the right of 2010 - that&#039;s a lot of energy!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The rich and powerful will use some of it to provide entertainment to the masses. The difference I see to what Gareth mentions above about 250,000 people at the FA cup final in 1920 is that more people in the future will be watching these big events on their TV&#039;s - which need much less energy to power than the transport to get them to the matches.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said - local teams with local players would be much preferable...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jul/26/manchesterunited.premierleague" rel="nofollow">they&#8217;re paying £32m for Tevez</a> though!</p>
<p>That video of Ronaldo shows lots of step-overs and free kicks&#8230; and not a lot else&#8230; still not convinced of his long term team qualities. (Sounds like a debate for a pint and the pub!)</p>
<p>With regard to football scaling down and becoming local, I think it is highly unlikely. There is still an awful lot of fossil energy left to play with &#8211; look at the area under Colin&#8217;s graph to the right of 2010 &#8211; that&#8217;s a lot of energy!</p>
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<p>The rich and powerful will use some of it to provide entertainment to the masses. The difference I see to what Gareth mentions above about 250,000 people at the FA cup final in 1920 is that more people in the future will be watching these big events on their TV&#8217;s &#8211; which need much less energy to power than the transport to get them to the matches.</p>
<p>That said &#8211; local teams with local players would be much preferable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: don't spit</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/07/25/peak-football-and-waving-goodbye-to-ronaldo/comment-page-1/#comment-58479</link>
		<dc:creator>don't spit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Football is fecked, great article only partially compromised by all the Ronaldo fanboy-ism. He falls on his arse during penalties and he is far from being a decent human being. Otherwise, your post is valid&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Football is fecked, great article only partially compromised by all the Ronaldo fanboy-ism. He falls on his arse during penalties and he is far from being a decent human being. Otherwise, your post is valid</p>
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		<title>By: Ogmios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ogmios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a football coach in Hackney, London I am looking forward to a time when the players I coach can feel fully integrated into a wider football community that is fed into by local systems. As it stands amateur football is literally disconnected from the higher echelons so there is no continuity. This is just one thing i hope will change in a post peak oil world.
Many young people in my area depend on consumerism for their self esteem and ambition and will feel particularly threatened when this lifestyle is no longer available. Therefore it is vital we energise and evolve our local football leagues and programmes(and those of other sports)to offer alternative ways for them to challenge themselves. It will also be important for the screen glued community to stop drooling over Ronaldo and the like and support the amazing talent in their neighbourhoods,or take part in sport themselves.Peace.Nice site&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a football coach in Hackney, London I am looking forward to a time when the players I coach can feel fully integrated into a wider football community that is fed into by local systems. As it stands amateur football is literally disconnected from the higher echelons so there is no continuity. This is just one thing i hope will change in a post peak oil world.<br />
Many young people in my area depend on consumerism for their self esteem and ambition and will feel particularly threatened when this lifestyle is no longer available. Therefore it is vital we energise and evolve our local football leagues and programmes(and those of other sports)to offer alternative ways for them to challenge themselves. It will also be important for the screen glued community to stop drooling over Ronaldo and the like and support the amazing talent in their neighbourhoods,or take part in sport themselves.Peace.Nice site</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/07/25/peak-football-and-waving-goodbye-to-ronaldo/comment-page-1/#comment-58466</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;At any rate I can&#039;t imagine that situations where 40,000 British fans have to fly out to Moscow to watch a Champion&#039;s league final between 2 British teams can be tenable much longer either...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At any rate I can&#8217;t imagine that situations where 40,000 British fans have to fly out to Moscow to watch a Champion&#8217;s league final between 2 British teams can be tenable much longer either&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/07/25/peak-football-and-waving-goodbye-to-ronaldo/comment-page-1/#comment-58462</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Behave yourself there Chamberlin, Transition is a strictly non-partisan field...  Torres indeed...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behave yourself there Chamberlin, Transition is a strictly non-partisan field&#8230;  Torres indeed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Chamberlin</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/07/25/peak-football-and-waving-goodbye-to-ronaldo/comment-page-1/#comment-58461</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree about football Gareth.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve often thought that the reason football is the most popular sport in the world, when you strip away everything around it, is that to play you really only need a little space and something very roughly resembling a ball.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right that the 2010 World Cup will go ahead, but as I&#039;ve said here before the current politic-ing going on around who gets to host the World Cups in 2018 and 2022 very much assumes that the competitions (and the money surrounding them) will look very similar to Germany 2006.  I can&#039;t see it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh, and Rob, it&#039;s all very well saying such things about Ronaldo, but could you seriously advocate the Premiership losing a jewel like Torres? ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about football Gareth.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often thought that the reason football is the most popular sport in the world, when you strip away everything around it, is that to play you really only need a little space and something very roughly resembling a ball.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right that the 2010 World Cup will go ahead, but as I&#8217;ve said here before the current politic-ing going on around who gets to host the World Cups in 2018 and 2022 very much assumes that the competitions (and the money surrounding them) will look very similar to Germany 2006.  I can&#8217;t see it.</p>
<p>Oh, and Rob, it&#8217;s all very well saying such things about Ronaldo, but could you seriously advocate the Premiership losing a jewel like Torres? <img src='http://transitionculture.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Doutch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Doutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There was a discussion along these lines in the PowerSwitch forum a while ago. I pointed out that the 1st FA cup final held at Wembley stadium (1923) had an unofficial attendance estimated at 250,000 people. Football will survive, and I&#039;m sure the World Cup will too, even if looks a little more like the old days.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a discussion along these lines in the PowerSwitch forum a while ago. I pointed out that the 1st FA cup final held at Wembley stadium (1923) had an unofficial attendance estimated at 250,000 people. Football will survive, and I&#8217;m sure the World Cup will too, even if looks a little more like the old days.</p>
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