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	<title>Comments on: Clare Short MP Proposes Transition Birmingham</title>
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		<title>By: Lord Aikins Adusei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord Aikins Adusei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bham is lucky to have a well respected person like Clare Short as MP.Clare Short and George Galloway are the only Credible politicians left in the entire western world.The Americans have sold their conscience for nothing and Europe for fear of being called anti Semites and for the sake of political expediency has withdrawn from anything that matter to the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bham is lucky to have a well respected person like Clare Short as MP.Clare Short and George Galloway are the only Credible politicians left in the entire western world.The Americans have sold their conscience for nothing and Europe for fear of being called anti Semites and for the sake of political expediency has withdrawn from anything that matter to the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Clarke</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/05/16/clare-short-mp-proposes-transition-birmingham/comment-page-1/#comment-57704</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m a longterm resident of Bham and its surrounding countryside. It would be wonderful if Birmingham could generate and sustain a load of transition locales.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I very much doubt whether Bham can be even remotely sustainable for very long anyway.  40-20 years ago it was surrounded by a green belt of farms which supplied its food.  It had many factories creating genuine value.  But now those farms, factories and related resources are closed and very hard to replace.  It has a million people who would not have a clue how to provide their own food and other necessities locally.  In the context of severely rising fuel costs, the probability of Bham being able to feed more than 10 percent by local food (or global either) is slim.  That&#039;s even if Bham performed some radical de-urbanisation program which is unimaginable without central government support.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So we are looking to a catastrophe of mass starvation, unless, very improbably, the oil/economic crisis magically eases for some years and meanwhile there&#039;s a stupendous movement towards local sustainability.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More realistically, I regret, it looks like mass starvation and violent social breakdown is pretty inevitable, in the next one to ten years.  And rather than trying to build something positive in doomed Bham the only positive thing to do is prepare to flee before that collapse hits.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a longterm resident of Bham and its surrounding countryside. It would be wonderful if Birmingham could generate and sustain a load of transition locales.</p>
<p>But I very much doubt whether Bham can be even remotely sustainable for very long anyway.  40-20 years ago it was surrounded by a green belt of farms which supplied its food.  It had many factories creating genuine value.  But now those farms, factories and related resources are closed and very hard to replace.  It has a million people who would not have a clue how to provide their own food and other necessities locally.  In the context of severely rising fuel costs, the probability of Bham being able to feed more than 10 percent by local food (or global either) is slim.  That&#8217;s even if Bham performed some radical de-urbanisation program which is unimaginable without central government support.</p>
<p>So we are looking to a catastrophe of mass starvation, unless, very improbably, the oil/economic crisis magically eases for some years and meanwhile there&#8217;s a stupendous movement towards local sustainability.</p>
<p>More realistically, I regret, it looks like mass starvation and violent social breakdown is pretty inevitable, in the next one to ten years.  And rather than trying to build something positive in doomed Bham the only positive thing to do is prepare to flee before that collapse hits.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Burnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, what Citrus said... Part of the whole power of TT is that it is a bottom up initiative, not top down... Its not about politicains taking the lead, they can jump on the train or choose to be left behind, but it&#039;s the people who are driving, not them...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those with longer memories repeat after me; &quot;Agenda 21, Agenda 21, Agenda 21...&quot; :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, what Citrus said&#8230; Part of the whole power of TT is that it is a bottom up initiative, not top down&#8230; Its not about politicains taking the lead, they can jump on the train or choose to be left behind, but it&#8217;s the people who are driving, not them&#8230;</p>
<p>Those with longer memories repeat after me; &#8220;Agenda 21, Agenda 21, Agenda 21&#8230;&#8221; <img src='http://transitionculture.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: citrus</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2008/05/16/clare-short-mp-proposes-transition-birmingham/comment-page-1/#comment-57533</link>
		<dc:creator>citrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;at the risk of sounding either controversial or pessimistic on some way, i&#039;m not doubting at all that clare short would love to see &quot;every local area within Birmingham with their own Transition Neighbourhood&quot; - the thing is, it&#039;s not up to her. i&#039;d love to see every neighbourhood in swansea being a transition area too, but that&#039;s the choice of the people living in those neighbourhoods.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;mu understanding of the transition concept is that you create a vision so appealing that people will want to go there themselves, under their own volition. if my MP were to tell me they wanted my neighbourhood to follow almost any idea, i&#039;d smell a rat immediately and wonder what they were up to, as i&#039;d imagine most people might...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at the risk of sounding either controversial or pessimistic on some way, i&#8217;m not doubting at all that clare short would love to see &#8220;every local area within Birmingham with their own Transition Neighbourhood&#8221; &#8211; the thing is, it&#8217;s not up to her. i&#8217;d love to see every neighbourhood in swansea being a transition area too, but that&#8217;s the choice of the people living in those neighbourhoods.</p>
<p>mu understanding of the transition concept is that you create a vision so appealing that people will want to go there themselves, under their own volition. if my MP were to tell me they wanted my neighbourhood to follow almost any idea, i&#8217;d smell a rat immediately and wonder what they were up to, as i&#8217;d imagine most people might&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 09:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Steve, 
Nice observation, but I think close examination of the picture reveals a distinct lack of hat, and a scarf possibly made from the pelt of an extremely endangered snow leopard.  However, the stack of copies of The Transition Handbook under her arm more than make up for these shortcomings!  Great news that things are moving forward in Birmingham, I look forward to my invite!
Thanks Steve...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,<br />
Nice observation, but I think close examination of the picture reveals a distinct lack of hat, and a scarf possibly made from the pelt of an extremely endangered snow leopard.  However, the stack of copies of The Transition Handbook under her arm more than make up for these shortcomings!  Great news that things are moving forward in Birmingham, I look forward to my invite!<br />
Thanks Steve&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Atkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A hat and scarf can help keep in the 40 - 50% of heat lost through the head and neck.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nice to see Clare demonstrating &#039;energy descent&#039; in action.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;x steve&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hat and scarf can help keep in the 40 &#8211; 50% of heat lost through the head and neck.</p>
<p>Nice to see Clare demonstrating &#8216;energy descent&#8217; in action.</p>
<p>x steve</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 05:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Morning!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Transition Birmingham &#039;mulling&#039; group met with Clare on Sat 17 May 2008.  She is keen to see every local area within Birmingham with their own Transition Neighbourhood.   Felipe and I talked about our ideas for a Transition Birmingham Network, which would help such Transition Initiatives to co-operate where appropriate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;John Hemming MP is also interested, and sent a representative, Neil Endicott.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our next steps are: (1) to have a Transition Birmingham mulling meeting tomorrow, Mon 19 May 2008, which Neil can hopefully attend; (2) to contact Rob Hopkins to find out when he might fit a talk in Birmingham into his diary - in a central venue which the MPs offices can facilitate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Watch this space ...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning!</p>
<p>The Transition Birmingham &#8216;mulling&#8217; group met with Clare on Sat 17 May 2008.  She is keen to see every local area within Birmingham with their own Transition Neighbourhood.   Felipe and I talked about our ideas for a Transition Birmingham Network, which would help such Transition Initiatives to co-operate where appropriate.</p>
<p>John Hemming MP is also interested, and sent a representative, Neil Endicott.</p>
<p>Our next steps are: (1) to have a Transition Birmingham mulling meeting tomorrow, Mon 19 May 2008, which Neil can hopefully attend; (2) to contact Rob Hopkins to find out when he might fit a talk in Birmingham into his diary &#8211; in a central venue which the MPs offices can facilitate.</p>
<p>Watch this space &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Woodiwiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Woodiwiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We should put her in contact with Amanda who came to the training whilst mulling how to Trainsition Birmingham&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should put her in contact with Amanda who came to the training whilst mulling how to Trainsition Birmingham</p>
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		<title>By: citrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>citrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 11:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it&#039;s fantastic to see TT getting mentioned in so many diverse places - the media really seems to be open to the idea.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;my suggestion to clare short would be however, to set up a TT in her area of Birmingham - in her own neighbourhood. the idea of having one over-arching transition project in birmingham risks sounding like a &#039;top-down&#039; rather than grassroots initiatives. if she got a fantastic TT project going where she lived and really got people involved, they would want to go and set one up in their own area.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i&#039;m currently working as part of a transition group in swansea and it looks like this is the way we might go - set up a number of neighbourhood transition projects in the areas of people who are already well into the idea and then hope it spreads!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s fantastic to see TT getting mentioned in so many diverse places &#8211; the media really seems to be open to the idea.</p>
<p>my suggestion to clare short would be however, to set up a TT in her area of Birmingham &#8211; in her own neighbourhood. the idea of having one over-arching transition project in birmingham risks sounding like a &#8216;top-down&#8217; rather than grassroots initiatives. if she got a fantastic TT project going where she lived and really got people involved, they would want to go and set one up in their own area.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m currently working as part of a transition group in swansea and it looks like this is the way we might go &#8211; set up a number of neighbourhood transition projects in the areas of people who are already well into the idea and then hope it spreads!</p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie mc cann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinnie mc cann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great idea Clare if you want it, go get it, even better, Transition England. Whether we have peaked regards to oil is irrelevant the speculation of peaking is enough to destabilise our systems.
There is no time to lose, the time is now. 
What ever group, party, or individual cease the initiative will be the point of change in the future, politicians are waiting for a ground swell of public opinion, and the public are waiting for that person , group or party to stand up.
Come on Clare stand up&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea Clare if you want it, go get it, even better, Transition England. Whether we have peaked regards to oil is irrelevant the speculation of peaking is enough to destabilise our systems.<br />
There is no time to lose, the time is now.<br />
What ever group, party, or individual cease the initiative will be the point of change in the future, politicians are waiting for a ground swell of public opinion, and the public are waiting for that person , group or party to stand up.<br />
Come on Clare stand up</p>
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