Comments on: A Third Review of The Transition Handbook http://transitionculture.org/2008/03/11/a-third-review-of-the-transition-handbook/ An Evolving Exploration into the Head, Heart and Hands of Energy Descent Thu, 24 May 2012 06:51:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Danny http://transitionculture.org/2008/03/11/a-third-review-of-the-transition-handbook/comment-page-1/#comment-56443 Danny Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:19:49 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/2008/03/11/a-third-review-of-the-transition-handbook/#comment-56443 <p>Robert, That is my POINT exactly! I mean, the time to begin planning and building these polar cities, aka "sustainable population retreats" in northern areas of Alaska, Canada, Russia, Norway, etc, even Oslo or Colorado and British Columbia, is NOW, while we still have time and fuel and transport and people to build them. In other words, get ready for the future. Be prepared. That is part of my project mission. Start planning and building them NOW. Of course, in 500 years, if the shite hits the fan, it will be too late to do anything. So let's get them in place now. Test them out. we have 30 generations to prepare.</p> <p>and 2.</p> <p>this is just a PR tool to wake people up, at the same time. Just an crazy idea so people can say HOLY EFF, WE ARE EFFED. we better work on mitigation NOW. that is the main goal of my project.</p> <p>There are many naysayers. that's good. I like naysayers. Here is one bloke from Australia who says:</p> <p>[Dave has left a new comment on the post "Polar Cities in the Year 2121 A.D.": ]</p> <p>"Polar cities are just a bit silly really, and promoting them will just make people either think "nutter" or "Oh well, if Global Warming is that bad, I can't do anything."</p> <p>Really, if civilisation is in retreat to the poles, exactly what energy sources are we going to have to BUILD a high tech under water city as depicted in these photos? This campaign strategy is a waste of time.</p> <p>It's just another "hobby" that grabbed Dan. Who's behind it? How is this different to any of the other million online chat rooms or blogs? Won't this just be another talk fest? What are the strategies for IMPLEMENTING this?</p> <p>At least Simpol has an organised strategy of targeting marginal MP's and Senators and gets MP's signed up to a new worldwide online set of goals for fighting global warming and addressing peak oil. Then we promise to support MP's signing on with our VOTES! It makes your VOTE count towards INTERNATIONAL problems! Simpol already has a whole bunch of MP's signing on and agreeing to swing their nations policy towards Simpol objectives. Think about how close elections may have been in your country... how many MP's can make a difference when passing new legislation? That's all we have to target... the marginal seats, and Simpol is organised enough to do so. This is a strategy that can WORK, instead of rabbiting on about fictional cities made from fictional energy sources in some fictional worst-case global warming disaster 500 years into some fictional future. Most people just think, "Huh? 500 years? So what, I'll be dead, and so will my children, grand children, and great grand children. 500 years.... so what? Won't we be on Mars by then?"</p> <p>NOW WHAT YOU SAY, ROBERT? Understand better the method of me madness?</p> <p>by the way, i have renamed the site the jAMES E LOVELOCK VIRTUAL MUSEUM OF POLAR CITY IMAGES , look here again:</p> <p>http://pcillu101.blogspot.com</p> Robert,
That is my POINT exactly! I mean, the time to begin planning and building these polar cities, aka “sustainable population retreats” in northern areas of Alaska, Canada, Russia, Norway, etc, even Oslo or Colorado and British Columbia, is NOW, while we still have time and fuel and transport and people to build them. In other words, get ready for the future. Be prepared. That is part of my project mission. Start planning and building them NOW. Of course, in 500 years, if the shite hits the fan, it will be too late to do anything. So let’s get them in place now. Test them out. we have 30 generations to prepare.

and 2.

this is just a PR tool to wake people up, at the same time. Just an crazy idea so people can say HOLY EFF, WE ARE EFFED. we better work on mitigation NOW. that is the main goal of my project.

There are many naysayers. that’s good. I like naysayers. Here is one bloke from Australia who says:

[Dave has left a new comment on the post "Polar Cities in the Year 2121 A.D.": ]

“Polar cities are just a bit silly really, and promoting them will just make people either think “nutter” or “Oh well, if Global Warming is that bad, I can’t do anything.”

Really, if civilisation is in retreat to the poles, exactly what energy sources are we going to have to BUILD a high tech under water city as depicted in these photos? This campaign strategy is a waste of time.

It’s just another “hobby” that grabbed Dan. Who’s behind it? How is this different to any of the other million online chat rooms or blogs? Won’t this just be another talk fest? What are the strategies for IMPLEMENTING this?

At least Simpol has an organised strategy of targeting marginal MP’s and Senators and gets MP’s signed up to a new worldwide online set of goals for fighting global warming and addressing peak oil. Then we promise to support MP’s signing on with our VOTES! It makes your VOTE count towards INTERNATIONAL problems! Simpol already has a whole bunch of MP’s signing on and agreeing to swing their nations policy towards Simpol objectives. Think about how close elections may have been in your country… how many MP’s can make a difference when passing new legislation? That’s all we have to target… the marginal seats, and Simpol is organised enough to do so. This is a strategy that can WORK, instead of rabbiting on about fictional cities made from fictional energy sources in some fictional worst-case global warming disaster 500 years into some fictional future. Most people just think, “Huh? 500 years? So what, I’ll be dead, and so will my children, grand children, and great grand children. 500 years…. so what? Won’t we be on Mars by then?”

NOW WHAT YOU SAY, ROBERT? Understand better the method of me madness?

by the way, i have renamed the site the jAMES E LOVELOCK VIRTUAL MUSEUM OF POLAR CITY IMAGES , look here again:

http://pcillu101.blogspot.com

]]> By: Robert Morgan http://transitionculture.org/2008/03/11/a-third-review-of-the-transition-handbook/comment-page-1/#comment-56440 Robert Morgan Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:43:16 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/2008/03/11/a-third-review-of-the-transition-handbook/#comment-56440 <p>Well, James Lovelock has said that by the end of this century humanity may be reduced to a few "breeding pairs" in the vicinity of the North Pole - ans I see the link shows imagined "polar city images"! Seriously, I can't imagine what any circumstance in which these might come about. If we get to the point where polar areas are the only habitable ones because of the severity of climate change, the world's economies and societies will have long been so comprehensively devastated that there will be no possibility of building such futuristic, energy intensive structures anywhere. One might as well propose to evacuate the world's population to the Moon.</p> Well, James Lovelock has said that by the end of this century humanity may be reduced to a few “breeding pairs” in the vicinity of the North Pole – ans I see the link shows imagined “polar city images”! Seriously, I can’t imagine what any circumstance in which these might come about. If we get to the point where polar areas are the only habitable ones because of the severity of climate change, the world’s economies and societies will have long been so comprehensively devastated that there will be no possibility of building such futuristic, energy intensive structures anywhere. One might as well propose to evacuate the world’s population to the Moon.

]]> By: danny bloom http://transitionculture.org/2008/03/11/a-third-review-of-the-transition-handbook/comment-page-1/#comment-56423 danny bloom Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:32:18 +0000 http://transitionculture.org/2008/03/11/a-third-review-of-the-transition-handbook/#comment-56423 <p>Robert, what about the prospect of polar cities for the future survivors of all this? ever heard of this adaptation idea? see my blog above</p> <p>danny</p> <p>Tufts 1971</p> Robert,
what about the prospect of polar cities for the future survivors of all this? ever heard of this adaptation idea? see my blog above

danny

Tufts 1971

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