Comments on: Chris Vernon Responds to George Monbiot.

By: Oakville Green Alt Energy: Climate Change

Oakville Green Alt Energy: Climate Change — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:51:12 +0000

[...] Peak Oil and Climate Change [...]

By: Personal Development from a Different Perspective - KuleKat

Personal Development from a Different Perspective - KuleKat — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:11:41 +0000

[...] many global warming campaigners choose not to discuss (or even acknowledge) the imminent peak in oil and other fossil fuels is, to put it mildly, [...]

By: Maurice Spurway

Maurice Spurway — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:33:40 +0000

I hope you are right, Tony.

By: Tony Weddle

Tony Weddle — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:54:15 +0000

From current data, we've actually been on an oil production plateau for a couple of years, with stock drawdown as the biggest contributor to the rise in consumption. Unless there are some big new projects that can more than compensate for natural declines in existing fields, we could see shortages very soon, rather than a plateau starting 10 years hence.

Climate change has not been the driver for change that it was hoped to be, despite big talk from some politicians. Unfortunately, it's likely that some element of force is needed, and I can only see that coming from oil depletion, in particular, and fossil fuel depletion, in general.

By: Maurice Spurway

Maurice Spurway — Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:46:31 +0000

Chris says:

"Climate change says we should change whereas peak oil says we will be forced to change. Both are right."

Can't argue with this BUT ... Peak Oil is unlikely to force us to change quickly enough or deeply enough. It's likely to "plateau" in about 10 years time. Too late. With Climate Change we need to reduce CO2 emissions by about 9% per year starting next year. I hope that Peak Oil will "kick in" soon, but my gut instinct says that it will happen too late and too little.

George is probably right. Climate Change is the most important driver of the change we need to see. Peak Oil would be nice to give additional forceful back-up, but we can't rely on it.... Sadly.

Maurice Spurway Co-ordinator - Exeter FoE

By: Chris Vernon

Chris Vernon — Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:14:04 +0000

From what I remember Olduvai theory is all framed in terms of energy per capita, I do expect peak oil to represent peak energy and as population will continue to grow for a few decades more it certainly represents peak energy per capita.

However I’m not sure how useful peak energy per capita is – firstly energy isn’t really the point but “energy services�?. Obviously there is very close correlation between energy and energy services but they are not strictly the same thing. Also as we are talking about per capital energy distributions are ignored. Whether civilization collapses or not due to energy shortage surely depends on whether there is 1 billion or 2 billion people using hardly any energy.

By: Jason Cole

Jason Cole — Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:56:15 +0000

Chris

By believing "Peak Oil == Peak Energy" do you think the Olduvai Theory carries more weight?

By: Eoin O'Callaghan

Eoin O'Callaghan — Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:19:00 +0000

Hi Robert,

Invading major oil producing countries... yes this has already happened and is likely to be seen again. But also increased tensions between countries without any reserves of their own that currently enjoy friendly relations.

By: Robert

Robert — Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:04:59 +0000

Hi Eoin

"I think there could be a significant amount of political destabilisation once governments wake up to the reality of peak oil."

Um, you mean, like... invading major oil producing countries?

By: Donald Coventry

Donald Coventry — Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:11:13 +0000

I remmeber reading a Monbiot piece where he felt it was of absolute significance. It may be that peak oil just makes his message too complicated. I felt back then his unerstanding of the issue was sound.

By: David price

David price — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:34:15 +0000

About the Wehrmacht on one website about synthetic fuel I read that the entire production from the German synthetic fuel plants was equal to about 4 days of present US oil imports.

By: Eoin O'Callaghan

Eoin O'Callaghan — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:45:48 +0000

I think there could be a significant amount of political destabilisation once governments wake up to the reality of peak oil. Even if there is sufficient supplies of gas and/or coal to make up for declining oil reserves, I would think it very unlikely that these alternatives would be distributed in the way they currently are. Surely countries which are lucky enough to have reserves will nationalise what energy resources they have? Peak Oil will not affect all countries equally. Living in Ireland, a country massively dependant on imported oil for its energy needs and wants, I feel that it is likely to draw a very short straw when it comes to the redistribution of global energy resources in the post-peak era.

By: Ken Neal

Ken Neal — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:39:21 +0000

“Monbiot also mentioned the Wehrmacht; it would be interesting to estimate how much CTL production would have been done at the time (i.e. is it insignificant compared to 85 MB/d?)”

Global oil consumption in the 40s was about a tenth of the present rate so CTL then would be insignificant compared to today’s requirement.

There is a graph at this URL which shows what the Hirsh Report thought CTL could contribute.
http://bartlett.house.gov/UploadedFiles/PeakHirschCTLShortageFeb2005.pdf
If you can find Bartlett’s speech to congress on Peak Oil of February 2006 with slides, I think you will find it the most comprehensive introduction to Peak Oil you will find. It is available at http://www.energybulletin.net/4733.html but without the slides.

By: Tess Lowe

Tess Lowe — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:19:13 +0000

Best analysis I’ve seen from you yet, Chris. Good job!

By: Philip Martin

Philip Martin — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:59:55 +0000

Chris,
I heard George make the Saudi/Siberian lack of exploration argument last year. Is there any way to get the good people at TOD to take a look at this? With the number of people who post there now, it might be possible to get some provisional idea.