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25 Aug 2006

ASPO 5. Dennis Meadows - Peak Oil and Limits to Growth.

**Dennis Meadows. Peak Oil and Limits to Growth. Wednesday 19th July 2006.**

meadows***Dennis Meadows** is one of the key figures in the environmental movement over the last 50 years, and one of the authors of perhaps the single best known environmental book “Limits to Growthâ€?, published in 1972. His presentation was one of the highlights of ASPO5 for me, and I was fortunate enough to be able to do an interview with him afterwards, which you’ll see as soon as I have transcribed it. You can download Meadows’ full presentation [here](http://www.aspoitalia.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=113&Itemid=90″Meadowsppt”).*

ltg‘Limits to Growth’ was criticised for predicting that oil would run out and for being wrong in that prediction. However, oil depletion is not mentioned once in the original 1972 report, this is a completely bogus criticism. Now that oil actually is running out and peak oil is impending, it is tempting to say “we told you so�, but we didn’t!

The key issue here is the relationship between oil flow and reserves, which I call the usage rate. Peak oil looks at this usage rate, whereas critics look at discovered resources, not the usage rate. The feedback loops controlling this are changing, the feedback loop that has managed this relationship over the last 50 years is changing (here I confess he lost me a bit, you’ll find his description of these feedback loops in his powerpoint here).

There are four effects of a rise in oil price.
From the fastest to the slowest;
Lowered quality of life – i.e. drive less
Increased energy efficiency – buy a Prius
Adapt a new energy supply – ie. ethanol.
Changed cultural aspirations- ie. uy a house in the city, no need for a car.

When we try to envision life over the next 100 years these 4 are adjusting to reduce energy supply. Alternative energy will never replace oil, and we will face a decline in the 4 ways above.

meadowsMatt Simmons recently wrote that he had reread Limits to Growth and was amazed at its accuracy. Limits to Growth began in the 1970s with the Club of Rome, a group who sought to raise awareness of environmental problems. No-one paid any attention, so they organised conferences, published books and so on, and after a few years people began to see that there was a problem. It was at this point, as all they had been able to contribute was observations on the nature of the problem, that they began to become irrelevant. ASPO needs to be aware of this possibility too, and to be helping people at a local level, offering solutions rather than just observations on the problem.

We don’t need a computer model to be able to prove that there are physical limits to physical growth on a physically finite planet. Some people will believe the premise and won’t need a computer model to convince them, and other people who refuse to even accept the premise won’t be swayed or convinced by all the computer models you can produce.

The contribution of Limits to Growth was to show that population and industrial growth are inherently exponential, and that exponential growth takes a resource to its limits very quickly. It showed that global society will most likely adjust to these limits by overshoot and collapse, not an S-shaped growth curve. However, I do still believe that sustainable development is possible, if important changes are made.

What I will be going on to say; 35 years of data shows that our original study results were correct. Climate has already peaked, global food production will peak in the next 15 years, even with no energy crisis, water is nearing its peak, oil being just one peak of many. Critics of LTG have shifted their criticisms over time. In 1972 when the first LTG was published we were below the limits to growth. Now we are well above. We have overshot the Earth’s carrying capacity.

We never considered the model to be predictive, the scenarios we developed in 1972 for world population and industry were accurate.

So what do LTGs critics say? They have gone through a series of phases. First they said there are no effective limits. Then they say perhaps there are but they are far away. Then they say perhaps there are but technology will save us. Then they say that perhaps technology won’t be able to solve all the problems, but the market will solve it for us. Finally they say markets do not always work, but it is too late to avoid the overshoot, we must learn to adapt. In any event, don’t worry!

ltgPeople are starting to get worried. LTG is now in its 3rd edition. World population is increasing exponentially. The gap between rich and poor is widening, in China now 60% of the wealth is controlled by 1% of the population. Our ecological footprint was overshot in the 1970s.

Wackernagel developed the ecological footprint model, not perfect but the best seen yet. We are now at 120% of global capacity, and can’t go much higher. Some indicators of overshoot are the deterioration in renewable resources, surface and ground water, forests, fisheries, agricultural land, rising levels of pollution. Also growing demand for capital, resources and labour by military and industry to secure, process and defend resources, and rising levels of personal debt. Insurance company losses are also rising.

The issue is not that you are running out of something, rather that the quality of the resource depletes. One of the reasons it is hard to (see change coming? Change direction quickly?) is long delay and ambiguous signals. For example, capital investments for US energy. The US energy structure at the moment includes;

150 oil refineries
4000 offshore platforms
160,000 miles of oil pipelines
10,400 electricity generating plants
410 underground gas storage fields
1.4 million miles of gas pipelines
160,000 miles of high voltage powerlines
Port facilities to handle 15 million barrels/day of oil.

Replacing oil with another energy source is one thing, replacing the infrastructure is a whole other area.

He then talked about the dangers of short term thinking, best illustrated in the diagrams below. His point was that the actions that will actually lead us to a sustainable society require early steps that look difficult and uncomfortable, whereas the things we could do in the short term that look like we are doing something actually lead us to a place where we are actually far more vulnerable.

s2People are unable to do things that they know will make life harder. The problem is that most politicians and decision makers only look forward in a short time frame, the trick is to stretch the time horizon out so that the benefits become clear and it all becomes more realistic (this has echoes to me of the difference between Holmgren’s Green Tech Stability scenario and his Earth Stewardship one).

m3We will not be writing a new version of LTG, as it is now too hard to think of policies for sustainable development. He then gave an energy breakdown of a nuclear power station which showed that they are not in any way a response to peak oil.

**Comments and Reflections.**
It was quite a coup for ASPO to get Dennis Meadows to attend the conference. I really enjoyed his talk, although you couldn’t exactly call it uplifting. Dennis has spent 40 years number crunching this information, and his thoughts and conclusions are based on really knowing his material. I was lucky enough to get to interview him later that day, which was very illuminating, although being at the more gloom and doom end of the spectrum he wasn’t the best person to ask the Skilling Up for Powerdown questions…

Categories: Climate Change, Economics, Energy, Food, Peak Oil, Politics, Population

10 Comments

David Taylor
25 Aug 11:38am

It’s unfortunate that the presentations are PowerPoint - I do not knowingly support Microsoft in any way and, of course, I am not alone in that.

Gareth_Doutch
25 Aug 5:41pm

That’s no problem, Open Office can import them.

Jan Steinman
26 Aug 10:11pm

Apple’s Keynote will also open Sourpoint documents — albeit with some formatting issuse from time to time.

Rob
27 Aug 6:01pm

I do know about Open Source, and would love to be using it… I have friends who are big Open Source heads, Transition Culture is done in WordPress which is an Open Source application, but I never quite seem to have the time to put aside to learn how to use the Open Source applications.

I would like to, but unfortunately I was got, you see, by doing a degree with no previous history of using computers, and learnt in the college on Windows. Having learnt on it, it is now what I am familiar with.

I would definitely like to make the switch, any tips as to how one can switch to Open Source without sharing a house with a computer nerd who can help you out when you get stuck? And without taking a week off work to focus on it? Any tips appreciated. Thanks for bringing up Open Source, it is a very important aspect of all this…

Gareth_Doutch
27 Aug 10:58pm

Rob,
http://www.openoffice.org is highly intuitive, it is basically a clone of the micro$oft suite. For most tasks you wouldn’t notice any difference.

I would recommend making the switch after a period of critical work and play with it. (And to be on the safe side, you would be able to operate using both, until you’ve complete confidence).

You should be able to get it on CD from a magazine if a massive download is undesireable, or email me!

Dan Conine
29 Aug 1:52am

Limits to Growth is great in the sense of living within means. It does not, however, address the root problem with our fascination for production and growth; purpose. If we don’t, as a species, come up with a Net Creative usefulness to contribute to the future, then there is no point to solving and entertaining ourselves with science in the first place. Why go through all the trouble, burn up all the resources, if there isn’t going to be anything to show for it? Ancient civilizations built pyramids at least, so when we go extinct with all our trinkets and exercise machines, it will be in the shadow of our ancestors’ physical accomplishments. All of our computer discs and paintings will be buried and burned in 10,000 years, but the pyramids will still be there. Perhaps the ancients had all of our luxuries also, and they are just buried under the continental shelves where they lived until the ice melted.

Colin Wright
29 Aug 6:14am

Thanks very much for another great write-up! One question on nuclear power (for anyone reading). You say Dennis rules it out.

Could I more accurately infer from the link you give to his original talk that ” A system building 10% more plants each year gives positive net energy in the 15th year.” And this is the best we could do and still not be able to make-up the shortfall.

Here I’ve cut and pasted the 6th bullet from Dennis’slide which I’ve quoted below.

“Years for Nuclear to
Give Back Energy
• Assume 4 year construction time.
• Assume 40 year operating life.
• Assume energy payback is 10.
• One plant starts to give net energy in the 9th year.
• A system building one plant/year gives positive net energy in the 13th year.
• A system building 10% more plants each year gives positive net energy in the 15th year.
• A system building 20% more plants each year never breaks
even.”

In any case, I suppose I could always buy his book to get the full story.

Lyn
4 Sep 5:40pm

The free powerpoint viewer is available from microsoft.

Lyn
4 Sep 6:27pm

“Years for Nuclear to
Give Back Energy
• Assume 4 year construction time.
• Assume 40 year operating life.
• Assume energy payback is 10.
• One plant starts to give net energy in the 9th year.
• A system building one plant/year gives positive net energy in the 13th year.
• A system building 10% more plants each year gives positive net energy in the 15th year.
• A system building 20% more plants each year never breaks
even.�

Reasoning like this is why LTG was booed down to begin with. There’s nothing arithmetically wrong but the argument is ridiculous from a practical point of view.

Meadows is a one trick pony and the limits to exponential growth is his hobby horse.

The “fact” that a 20% YOY growth rate would never break even is a p*ss poor reason not to build reactors. The same reasoning can be applied to ANY energy production scheme. The growth rate for no net return might be 30% for a coal generator and 25% for a NG generator but that’s no reason not to build them.

I want to be perfectly clear what I’m objecting to. It’s not his numbers, it’s his dimwitted reasoning about them. He presents this line of reasoning as if it is a perfectly legitimate talking point about why nuclear energy shouldn’t be pursued. Horsepuckee!

Matt Holbert
23 Jun 4:23pm

If I had only one pony to ride, “liimits to exponential growth” would be his/her name.

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