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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2006/01/18/eprida-too-good-to-be-true/comment-page-1/#comment-60486</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I followed the flash animation correctly, the H2 gain from the process can then be converted into diesel.  That leads me to believe that it is initially Hydrogen and thus... can be used for other things than just diesel.
In effect, it just seems as if diesel is an initial selling point to get the product/project up and rolling.

Thus, it doesn&#039;t actually need to replace ALL of the diesel in &#039;first world&#039; countries, and instead, skip the conversion process all together, and just use the Hydrogen directly for fuel cells or electrical generation for electric or plug-in hybrid cars.

Point is... zoom back from the diesel.  

With that, if it cleans the environment, increases crop yields, AND produces a form of energy that can ADD to our demand for it (ie, not replace it), then .. is that such a bad thing?

Could this not supply the hydrogen than it can, and then the rest of the hydrogen is made from other &#039;green&#039; forms of energy; wind, solar, tidal, etc?  

Does it need to replace it entirely?  I think we&#039;ve seen what happens when a peoples (read: planet) becomes too dependent on energy from one source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I followed the flash animation correctly, the H2 gain from the process can then be converted into diesel.  That leads me to believe that it is initially Hydrogen and thus&#8230; can be used for other things than just diesel.<br />
In effect, it just seems as if diesel is an initial selling point to get the product/project up and rolling.</p>
<p>Thus, it doesn&#8217;t actually need to replace ALL of the diesel in &#8216;first world&#8217; countries, and instead, skip the conversion process all together, and just use the Hydrogen directly for fuel cells or electrical generation for electric or plug-in hybrid cars.</p>
<p>Point is&#8230; zoom back from the diesel.  </p>
<p>With that, if it cleans the environment, increases crop yields, AND produces a form of energy that can ADD to our demand for it (ie, not replace it), then .. is that such a bad thing?</p>
<p>Could this not supply the hydrogen than it can, and then the rest of the hydrogen is made from other &#8216;green&#8217; forms of energy; wind, solar, tidal, etc?  </p>
<p>Does it need to replace it entirely?  I think we&#8217;ve seen what happens when a peoples (read: planet) becomes too dependent on energy from one source.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is now two years since this page was written.  We are plunging into an abyss of greed and being followed by climate change being propelled by tipping points that we knew were coming at least two years ago.

We still have not gotten off the dime in making this technology what it should be because the elite do not want to be bothered with things that will take control out of their hands (at least in the USA).

So it is up to the small farmer to make sure that they understand this technology and get it into their communities at a scale that the regulators can not stop them.  As the oil peak takes hold these enclaves will be able to function while the rest of society flounders.

Instead of watching the auto industry fall apart in the USA we should be assigning them the task of mass producing small units to be sold with their cars to use the house hold waste and yard wastes to run their cars as well as coming up with 150mpg engines.  

Some of the energy could be used during the day to produce local electricity and liquid fuels at night.  Coal systems meed to be scaled back as fast possible so that the 14 hrs per day when the demand for power is low most of the generation can be shut down.

The time has come to stop thinking that things are going to be a carbon copy of the past fifty years - just get over it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is now two years since this page was written.  We are plunging into an abyss of greed and being followed by climate change being propelled by tipping points that we knew were coming at least two years ago.</p>
<p>We still have not gotten off the dime in making this technology what it should be because the elite do not want to be bothered with things that will take control out of their hands (at least in the USA).</p>
<p>So it is up to the small farmer to make sure that they understand this technology and get it into their communities at a scale that the regulators can not stop them.  As the oil peak takes hold these enclaves will be able to function while the rest of society flounders.</p>
<p>Instead of watching the auto industry fall apart in the USA we should be assigning them the task of mass producing small units to be sold with their cars to use the house hold waste and yard wastes to run their cars as well as coming up with 150mpg engines.  </p>
<p>Some of the energy could be used during the day to produce local electricity and liquid fuels at night.  Coal systems meed to be scaled back as fast possible so that the 14 hrs per day when the demand for power is low most of the generation can be shut down.</p>
<p>The time has come to stop thinking that things are going to be a carbon copy of the past fifty years &#8211; just get over it!</p>
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		<title>By: After Gutenberg &#187; Peak Dirt?</title>
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		<dc:creator>After Gutenberg &#187; Peak Dirt?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] number of criticisms have been made about biochar. These [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Terra Preta: Biochar And The MEGO Effect &#124; Alt Dot Energy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terra Preta: Biochar And The MEGO Effect &#124; Alt Dot Energy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] number of criticisms have been made about biochar. These [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Truck and Harvester efficiency &#38; design? - Science Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truck and Harvester efficiency &#38; design? - Science Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] (As well as potentially SOLVING Global warming and preparing the soil for less fertiliser).  If the following quote is true, then it seems there is ground for hope.  [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (As well as potentially SOLVING Global warming and preparing the soil for less fertiliser).  If the following quote is true, then it seems there is ground for hope.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Terra Preta in the news - Page 12 - Science Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terra Preta in the news - Page 12 - Science Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Terra Preta in the news   For instance, has the summary statement below ever been independently verified by someone like the CSIRO? If so we may have some hope for the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Robert Maxwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This process can be scaled down to use 10 tons of waste which is not a lot in the scale of things. So it can be used by small farmers in third world countries where the increased fertility of the soil and extra income from fuel will be well appreciated.
As I understand it the low temp char acts a substrate for fungal mycelia which in turn increase the bioavailabilty of plant nutrients. The fuel gases add nutrients above and beyond what the indians were using. This could be a welcome improvement.
Of course there is no one answer but part of the answer for US and Australia is to stop being such pigs.
Whispering Ted&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This process can be scaled down to use 10 tons of waste which is not a lot in the scale of things. So it can be used by small farmers in third world countries where the increased fertility of the soil and extra income from fuel will be well appreciated.<br />
As I understand it the low temp char acts a substrate for fungal mycelia which in turn increase the bioavailabilty of plant nutrients. The fuel gases add nutrients above and beyond what the indians were using. This could be a welcome improvement.<br />
Of course there is no one answer but part of the answer for US and Australia is to stop being such pigs.<br />
Whispering Ted</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Day</title>
		<link>http://transitionculture.org/2006/01/18/eprida-too-good-to-be-true/comment-page-1/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments.  We know that there a appropriate places for integration of this technology, with others to produce a sustainable future. http://www.newfarm.org/columns/research_paul/2006/0106/charcoal.shtml 

Nature&#039;s only silver bullet is sunlight and biodiversity provides it with advantages we are only beginning to tap as we move from through the embryonic growth of the petroleum age. 

This challenge represents a doorway to stable energy and agriculure.  Technically it is accomplished through increasing efficiency in all areas of human activity as well as incorporating  external costs of inefficiancy and GHG gas emissions output (read as non-utilization inefficiency).  The use of economic drivers effects the planning of corporations and familiy budgets, but mostly it begins to change the thoughts we teach our children. What we teach we learn. 

We have an opportunity to become an integral symbiotic part of nature&#039;s design but it takes a release of the judgements we place on the humankind and on our selves, as they limit us in the scope of we can create. What we face is not that to be feared, no more than we fear the fuel gage of our auto.  In this case though it is a feedback mechanism of our own development.  If we see each other as takers rather than givers, we create from fear and see a dim future.  If we see billions of  bright minds rapidly learning and discovering secrets of the universe;  working from a paradaigm of collaborative abundance to create and give each other a sustainable future, we see hope.
The future does not come at the choice of  governments or corporations...it is your choice...our choice. What future do you/we wish to give those who share our world? 

As we come to an agreement on a future we wish to give, the fuel gage will move away from empty and our lives will be filled with purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments.  We know that there a appropriate places for integration of this technology, with others to produce a sustainable future. <a href="http://www.newfarm.org/columns/research_paul/2006/0106/charcoal.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.newfarm.org/columns/research_paul/2006/0106/charcoal.shtml</a> </p>
<p>Nature&#8217;s only silver bullet is sunlight and biodiversity provides it with advantages we are only beginning to tap as we move from through the embryonic growth of the petroleum age. </p>
<p>This challenge represents a doorway to stable energy and agriculure.  Technically it is accomplished through increasing efficiency in all areas of human activity as well as incorporating  external costs of inefficiancy and GHG gas emissions output (read as non-utilization inefficiency).  The use of economic drivers effects the planning of corporations and familiy budgets, but mostly it begins to change the thoughts we teach our children. What we teach we learn. </p>
<p>We have an opportunity to become an integral symbiotic part of nature&#8217;s design but it takes a release of the judgements we place on the humankind and on our selves, as they limit us in the scope of we can create. What we face is not that to be feared, no more than we fear the fuel gage of our auto.  In this case though it is a feedback mechanism of our own development.  If we see each other as takers rather than givers, we create from fear and see a dim future.  If we see billions of  bright minds rapidly learning and discovering secrets of the universe;  working from a paradaigm of collaborative abundance to create and give each other a sustainable future, we see hope.<br />
The future does not come at the choice of  governments or corporations&#8230;it is your choice&#8230;our choice. What future do you/we wish to give those who share our world? </p>
<p>As we come to an agreement on a future we wish to give, the fuel gage will move away from empty and our lives will be filled with purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Small</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious if this technology is adaptable to smaller scale, highly distributed production centers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious if this technology is adaptable to smaller scale, highly distributed production centers.</p>
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		<title>By: ANDY WILSON</title>
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		<dc:creator>ANDY WILSON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 01:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hows this for starters. The diesel yield is estimated at 3.2 tonnes per 10 tons of biomass. In the UK, you MIGHT get the equivalent of 5 tonnes of SRC per hectare after the energy to grow, harvest  processand transport the crop is factored in. Hence a diesel yield of about 1.6 tonnes or 1800 litres per hectare This would not come close to keeping one family going for one year.  Britain would require 20,000000-40,000,000 hectares of land devoted to SRC 
( short rotation coppicing) simply to keep the private cars on the road in the manner to which people are currently accustomed. That is 20,000-40,000 square kilometers, or the equivalent of all Britains arable land and rough pasture combined give or take a bit.
Doesn&#039;t sound like much of a solution to me. Dream on.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hows this for starters. The diesel yield is estimated at 3.2 tonnes per 10 tons of biomass. In the UK, you MIGHT get the equivalent of 5 tonnes of SRC per hectare after the energy to grow, harvest  processand transport the crop is factored in. Hence a diesel yield of about 1.6 tonnes or 1800 litres per hectare This would not come close to keeping one family going for one year.  Britain would require 20,000000-40,000,000 hectares of land devoted to SRC<br />
( short rotation coppicing) simply to keep the private cars on the road in the manner to which people are currently accustomed. That is 20,000-40,000 square kilometers, or the equivalent of all Britains arable land and rough pasture combined give or take a bit.<br />
Doesn&#8217;t sound like much of a solution to me. Dream on&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading this I posted one the link to www.eprida.com in the Powerswitch forum to get people&#039;s thoughts. Discussion available here: http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1541</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this I posted one the link to <a href="http://www.eprida.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.eprida.com</a> in the Powerswitch forum to get people&#8217;s thoughts. Discussion available here: <a href="http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1541" rel="nofollow">http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1541</a></p>
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